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Old Jun-12-2008, 08:03 PM   #1
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Outriggers - single or double rig?

I'm trying to decide if I should stick with a single rig or double rig for my outriggers. I've got the Taco Sport Slam base with the 15' 1-1/8" butt end diameter.

What's your experience?

Also, which release clips? I got the ones that came with the kit. Piece of crap!

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Old Jun-12-2008, 09:09 PM   #2
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Everyone has their style and preference for rigging and running them. I use double halyards on each side. It allows you to run more lines, wider and that's what they are there for. Get a good double pulley at the bottom and a way to tension the lines. Then you can easily change out gear on the outside without bringing in the inner line.

For release clips, I used to be a fan of Aftco Roller Trollers and they do work, but have now switched all of them to Rupp Nok-Outs and haven't looked back. Very simple, quick and low maintenance. I still use the Aftcos for flat line clips. Hope this helps.

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Old Jun-12-2008, 09:18 PM   #3
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Cool. Thanks Todd. I was looking at the Nok-outs. I've got the Hal-Locks for double lines to tension the line. Pretty simple locking mechanism, but it works.

My kill bags just came in today. I just gotta get the riggers set the way I want and I'm ready to hunt.
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Old Jun-12-2008, 09:46 PM   #4
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As TT says it is in what you want and what works best for you...... I run 2 hand lines of the stearn corners close on diver boards, 2 on the outriggers, 2 in angled rod holders, 2 straight back off the left and right of the stearn, and one straight down the middle of the stearn.

That gives me 7 rods, and 2 hand lines, and I don't think I would put two more on my outriggers.... I have 15' lee outriggers. If I had a bigger boat, with longer riggers, and spreaders to support them I might run more lines.....

For what it is worth theres another opinion.....
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TWO??? They have four rings on em (at least mine do). I have mine rigged with three releases (the three outside rings) using a triple Hal-Lock & AFTCO rollers, while the inside ring is used to drag a teaser. You can always not use one of the releases (as we don't frequently - high wind or lots of fish).

My rig up is usually (22' center console):

3 each side on the outriggers (6). Outside way back, next 1/2 way back, inside close.
1 each on the forward rod holders (2). Baits are fished right next to the hull (you can see them in the water).
1 each on the stern flat lines (2) or a dive board on a handline. For rods I use trolling bars to get under the prop wash.
1 down the center way back (1)

As mentioned, I'm also dragging teasers on the inside outrigger ring. I have a reel rigged to the outrigger bases to quickly retrieve the teaser, which consists of a 2' section of stainless chain generally followed by a strip teaser.

You have to cut back if it's windy or if the fish are really hitting.
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GW - have you installed the bases yet? IF so...how far forward of you first rod holder did you put them?

TT - When you say flat line clips...you're talking corner rods?

I will install my riggers once I have my engine done and running.
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My rig up is usually (22' center console):

3 each side on the outriggers (6). Outside way back, next 1/2 way back, inside close.
1 each on the forward rod holders (2). Baits are fished right next to the hull (you can see them in the water).
1 each on the stern flat lines (2) or a dive board on a handline. For rods I use trolling bars to get under the prop wash.
1 down the center way back (1)
You drag 11 lines on a 22' center console? You don't usually drag that many lines do you? How often do your forward (forward i am assuming is the bow) rod holders? You said you use trolling bars to get under the prop wash...what do you mean exactly? What is a "trolling bar"? I know what a spreader bar is...

That rig up sounds like Tred Barta's porcupine rig.
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You drag 11 lines on a 22' center console? You don't usually drag that many lines do you? How often do your forward (forward i am assuming is the bow) rod holders? You said you use trolling bars to get under the prop wash...what do you mean exactly? What is a "trolling bar"? I know what a spreader bar is...

That rig up sounds like Tred Barta's porcupine rig.
really it sounds a whole lot closer to a jig boat spread.............
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Tommy, I'm still trying to figure out exactly where the rigger rods will be when the lines are clipped in. I may yet need to drill more holes on my boat.

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You drag 11 lines on a 22' center console? You don't usually drag that many lines do you? How often do your forward (forward i am assuming is the bow) rod holders? You said you use trolling bars to get under the prop wash...what do you mean exactly? What is a "trolling bar"? I know what a spreader bar is...

That rig up sounds like Tred Barta's porcupine rig.
On a good day (not alot of wind), yes I will drag 11 lines. I rarely drag less than 9 (only if it's a real "sporty" day). I fish diving plugs off the forward (bow) rod holders as it puts the plugs under the teasers - just behind the stern. Usually Rapala mags - CD14 or CD11, or the Yo-Zuri Crystal Minnow deep diver.


Trolling bars: Sea Striker Trolling Bar Lure - BoatersWorld.com

I have three flush mount rod holders along the gunnals - one is for the outriggers (farthest forward). I have 5 T-Top mounted rod holders, and 4 leaning post mounted rod holders. When running 11 lines, the outside T-Top goes to the outside outrigger, the back gunnal mount goes to the next inside, and the next gunnal mount forward is for the inside outrigger.

The outside leaning post holders are for the flatline stern clips.

The center T-Top is for the way-back position

The front holders (bow) - well, as explained above.

If you want to really get agressive, you can fish a 12th rod from the center leaning post position - short and on top in the prop wash, or try to pull it under the wash - but at that point it's getting pretty busy.

The front rods (bow) usually get bit once you have slowed the boat to bring in a fish. But if you have ever had your teasers attacked you know why you want some hooks around them.

Below is a rough sketch of the layout:

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You really need to manage the distance between the outrigger lines in order for this to work. The inside need to be very short, the outside very long, and the one in between - well in between.

Stern lines work well (or handlines with divers). Long back - well, that works well to.

The bow rods - make sure they are deep diving plugs and achieve about a 45 degree angle. I personally like the metal lip Rapalas as you can tweak them and get them to run to the outside.

Once we get bit, we typically move the gunnal rods forward to rod holders in front of the center console - but they are still fishing (we clear the gunnal rods forward to allow access to the fish). The only lines we pull in are the stern cliped flat lines. It's important to be able to keep as many lines in the water as possible at all times (I know I don't need to tell you this).

Of course, all of this is just a pacifier until we can do the live bait thing. Then it's all run and gun.
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