Long Range Permits

Butty · Oct-21-2009, 11:15 AM

I think 3 days or more mexico issues a excursion permit which is $75 instead of the $15 per day thing.

SlideRight · Oct-21-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jkfish

I would gently suggest when you call an office ask for the trip price and any added costs for permits and any other extras fees due for that trip, add them up and reach the total cost payable to an operation for that trip. John Klein

Yep, seems pretty simple to me too. IMHO it's the boats biz as long as they don't surprise you at the end of the trip. For me, if the total price is right why fret. Like the little duck, if it don't rain I'll walk.

afraser · Oct-21-2009, 04:07 PM

Let's not go overboard and start saying the Intrepid has bargain prices. A great boat no doubt, but it does cost a bit more. You do get what you pay for (more room, fewer anglers, better food, etc.), but it isn't a bargain by any means at $300-400/day. There are several long range boats at 200-250/day and are quite good too, even with the extra $10/day for "mexican" permits.

TopMpg · Oct-21-2009, 04:14 PM

I don't believe anyone inferred in any way that the Intrepid had bargain prices. With the Intrepid you know exactly what the trip will cost thats all anyone was saying.

titan05 · Oct-21-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jkfish

I would gently suggest when you call an office ask for the trip price and any added costs for permits and any other extras fees due for that trip, add them up and reach the total cost payable to an operation for that trip. Compare and make your decisions based on fact rather than rhetoric. For example, if two vessels, that you like equally charge a $1000 for an equal length trip and one adds $150 in fees, then the second vessel would be more expensive. However if one vessel charges $1500 and the second angling platform charges $1200 for an equal length trip and then adds $150 in fees, the vessel that adds fees would be less expensive. I am also available for converting Fathoms to Feet. Have fun on your next trip, I believe long range fishing is still a great vacation value.
John Klein

John,

At least your response wasn't in the "3rd" person

Now about the fathoms to feet thing.....how many fathoms is it from San Diego to Alijos if you went horizontal instead of vertical ?

Just funnin ya

Steve K · Oct-21-2009, 04:56 PM

John, thanks for chiming in here on a delicate matter. Nice "gentle suggestion" there. I think what may confuse us all is that no matter where in California I purchase a fishing license, it costs the same.

To take your analogy and comparison of "two vessels, that you like equally" a bit further the real question being asked here is this. If the trip price is the same, at $1200, and one of the vessels charges an additional $74 for permits while the other charges $100 for the same permits what's up with that?

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Originally Posted by jkfish

I would gently suggest when you call an office ask for the trip price and any added costs for permits and any other extras fees due for that trip, add them up and reach the total cost payable to an operation for that trip. Compare and make your decisions based on fact rather than rhetoric. For example, if two vessels, that you like equally charge a $1000 for an equal length trip and one adds $150 in fees, then the second vessel would be more expensive. However if one vessel charges $1500 and the second angling platform charges $1200 for an equal length trip and then adds $150 in fees, the vessel that adds fees would be less expensive. I am also available for converting Fathoms to Feet. Have fun on your next trip, I believe long range fishing is still a great vacation value.
John Klein

scratcher · Oct-21-2009, 05:15 PM

Very true ! Then it is $4.00 after that per day.

Steve K · Oct-21-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Butty

I think 3 days or more mexico issues a excursion permit which is $75 instead of the $15 per day thing.

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Originally Posted by scratcher

Very true ! Then it is $4.00 after that per day.

If you put these two together, is that what you're talking about?

I paid $74 for a 4 day on Searcher and then $83 for an 8 day on Shogun. So that math does not work for your excursion permit. Might be $70.00 for the excursion permit and then $2.00 a day after that. There's also some sort of excise tax, a flat fee for each permit regardless of the length of the trip.

As far as charging the permit fees for travel days, I understand that. Seems like any time spent in Mexican waters you are capable of fishing and need a permit. You know, like stopping at Alijos on the way to Hurricane Bank to catch Yellows or Tuna for dinner? Or stopping at Benitos to drift for Reds on the way to the Lower Banks. How would you like to save a few bucks and run across a school of fish that wanted to die only to have to keep driving because you had no permit to fish that day?

SMN XPS · Oct-21-2009, 05:58 PM

I fish in canada often and I can buy a canadian license in detroit for $70 or get one in canada for $60. the thing is if i am going to boat over to canada to fish the $10 service charge is a good deal.

BTW that's $60 per year

I paid extra for permits this summer on the RRIII, just part of the trip so no big deal

cheers
jerry

titan05 · Oct-21-2009, 09:32 PM

I posted this last night and took it down;

The excursion permit is 69.74 for 4 days and longer with a 2.oo per day and 3.00 to 5.00 excise tax

A ten day permit should not be more than 90.00 - 95.00

That is straight from the Mexican Dept of Fish and game or Pesca.

Anything over that is cash to the boat.

Some boats play it straight up and some don't. You need to ask the questions and determine for yourself what boats you choose to ride. If the permit cost variation doesn't matter to you then just pay what the total price is and go fish....pretty simple.

G-Spot · Oct-21-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by afraser

Let's not go overboard and start saying the Intrepid has bargain prices. A great boat no doubt, but it does cost a bit more. You do get what you pay for (more room, fewer anglers, better food, etc.), but it isn't a bargain by any means at $300-400/day. There are several long range boats at 200-250/day and are quite good too, even with the extra $10/day for "mexican" permits.

For me never said it was a bargain... It is about the same as others when all fees are considered... The bonus for me is an honest trip price on a nice big boat with a good crew.

For me it is more about honesty and integrity... I want to know what I am paying for, don't charge me some phony fee and pocket the cash.... In the good old US of A charters are not allowed to upcharge license, but over the last few years this whole Mexican license thing has come to surface as a potential scam, and it bothers some... Some people don't give a shit if they are lied to as long as the trip price is in the range they desire...

Last year I was on the Intrepid 10 day trip for $$2995.00 or about $300 per day.... My friend went on the AA 10 day for a $2495.00 or about $250.00 per day, then he paid a fuel surcharge and a mexican license fee and his trip was right up there with mine...

Personally, if you are going to charge me a fuel surcharge simply be honest. Tell me up front how many gallons you budget for a trip based upon real data of previous comparable trips and at what cost per gallon.... If you use more and/or the price is up then charge me... Likewise if you set on anchor a couple of days and save thousands buck-up and be honest... If the fuel costs go down from what you estimated then you owe me a little cash back.... It can't all be one sided... If you want a moving price you have to take the good with the bad...

I personally like how the Intrepid does it... One price no bullshit, no games, no shells to try and follow...

PS... I don't think there are to many quality boats for $200.00 per day...

shajcl · Oct-22-2009, 08:37 AM

Going back to the original post about the disparity in permit cost among the boats. I remembered when the economy was good one boat was charging $20/day for permits whereas others were $10-15/day. No one was questioning about the difference. Now the economy is not so good, everything is under the microscope. IMHO, this should have been looked at a long time ago. Bottom line is, some owner(s) tried to charged as much as they could get away with. Now they can not get away with that anymore. Most importantly, people who had been screwed in the past always remembers. I know I do!

G-spot is absolutely correct about transparency in the LR business. John: good luck to you on the upcoming Intrepid trip and stop asking everyone if you can have their stuff!

Jeff