Do I really need a 100lb setup?

lasparky11 · Jul-01-2009, 07:32 PM

You never know what your going to run across. I have done maybe 15 10 day trips in the last 10 years. About 2/3 of the time I use my 100lb rig. You can use the one on the boat unless your a tackle hoe, and want your own. Remember you can never have enough rods and reels. The one you don't take is the one you need. You can take wind on top shots (I do) but do you really want to change over in the middle of a hot bite? Its like changing rubbers in the middle of a lay. Hold on honey I have to change over to a hot new one!

the junky · Jul-01-2009, 07:49 PM

You can rent or barrow a 100lb setup bring it. If you dont then you will need it. Please dont troll out there with the 50lb you want to get the fish and the school to the boat as fast as possible so every one else gets some and the school dosent sink out while your fighting your fish. I like to fish light to but on the troll on a 10 day isnt the place. Just some advice.

riceman1011 · Jul-01-2009, 08:18 PM

not for an october trip... if u do find the cows that early the boat has all you need. Don't need to go spending money for the chance. 60lb is probably what u will be using most of the time for Alijos yellowfin and 40 or 50 for the Wahoo. 80 for either trolling or maybe dropper loop at the ridge something like that. What you have is perfect for a 10 day in October.

titan05 · Jul-01-2009, 09:29 PM

I would take a 100 pound or even a 130 pound for a very simple reason....these trips many times will stop on some very good Grouper fishing and I know for a fact that it is no fun getting your ass handed to you by a HUGE grouper. If I fish that type of trip you can bet I have at least 100 , 130 , 150 or 200 pound line and a 11/0 - 13/0 hook. Clip the tail of a skippy or small yellowtail, hook him up through the collar , 16oz lead and hold on....it's like sending Mr. Grumpy a snickers bar.

Now you can always use a 80 pound rig and just use a wind on but take one..........big Broomtails are the meanest fish in the ocean.

Have fun

csmunmun · Jul-01-2009, 09:43 PM

Thanks for all the advice guys, I appreciate it. I'm hearing it both ways, I like the idea of having the Avet 30 thats what I was planning on going with for an 80 anywya, and changing out the topshot, but I could see where that could suck to if I need it in a hurry. I know the boats have gear, haven't been able to get dates locked in yet but we are trying to ride the american angler penn trip and they have loaner gear they said for no charge. I know that you need to use 80 for dropper loop fishing just because of the rocks, but I'm wondering why 80lb doesn't work for big tuna on this kind of trip? I've boated some big fish around the world on 80 lb you just don't horse them around. I'm not trying to be an arrogent prick and ignore the advice I asked for I'm just wondering why? I,ve never been on any trips this long out of SD. I'm a big time gear queer so I collect more shit than anyone can ever use anyway and plan on doing one of these annually so If I need it I'll get it. Oh yeah and by the way, do the crews on these long trips get pissed if you want to put most of your fish back? I'm comming right back out here to this hot sandy place afterwords so I don't plan on keeping more than a couple fish, maybe one of each type for me madre. Unless anyone wants to meet me at the dock and take them off my hands.

csmunmun · Jul-01-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by titan05

I would take a 100 pound or even a 130 pound for a very simple reason....these trips many times will stop on some very good Grouper fishing and I know for a fact that it is no fun getting your ass handed to you by a HUGE grouper. If I fish that type of trip you can bet I have at least 100 , 130 , 150 or 200 pound line and a 11/0 - 13/0 hook. Clip the tail of a skippy or small yellowtail, hook him up through the collar , 16oz lead and hold on....it's like sending Mr. Grumpy a snickers bar.

Now you can always use a 80 pound rig and just use a wind on but take one..........big Broomtails are the meanest fish in the ocean.

Have fun

Thats the kind of stuff I was looking for thanks, I can deffinatly see that one.

john sturdivant · Jul-01-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by csmunmun

they said for no charge. I know that you need to use 80 for dropper loop fishing just because of the rocks, but I'm wondering why 80lb doesn't work for big tuna on this kind of trip? I've boated some big fish around the world on 80 lb you just don't horse them around. I'm not trying to be an arrogent prick and ignore the advice I asked for I'm just wondering why?

The captains want you to use 100 minimum so you don't hang up the boat..You can land big fish on 80 but it will take longer then on 100 or 130..If you have the only fish hanging from a stop and more fish are boiling up ahead they want to get back on them...What you can do quickly with heavy string will take more time with 60 and 80 and the window may not be open very long..

BOILER · Jul-01-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by john sturdivant

The captains want you to use 100 minimum so you don't hang up the boat..You can land big fish on 80 but it will take longer then on 100 or 130..If you have the only fish hanging from a stop and more fish are boiling up ahead they want to get back on them...What you can do quickly with heavy string will take more time with 60 and 80 and the window may not be open very long..

And not just that but 80 breaks easier then 100. Long range isn't the place for light line as more times then not you're going to make people upset when using it for holding up the going's on. If you're fishing 40-50lbers that's one thing but if you stop on some real business 100lb is a must if not 130. Have you seen that thread "That Guy"? You don't want to be him fishing 80 while everyone is waiting on you so they can chase down the school again. But Murphy's Law will get you in the end, you'll end up buying the 100lb rig and won't see any sign of anything to use it on..

Just rent one, of nothing else you only spent a few bucks instead of dropping 10 benji's.

Outhouse · Jul-02-2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by titan05

I would take a 100 pound or even a 130 pound for a very simple reason....these trips many times will stop on some very good Grouper fishing and I know for a fact that it is no fun getting your ass handed to you by a HUGE grouper. If I fish that type of trip you can bet I have at least 100 , 130 , 150 or 200 pound line and a 11/0 - 13/0 hook. Clip the tail of a skippy or small yellowtail, hook him up through the collar , 16oz lead and hold on....it's like sending Mr. Grumpy a snickers bar.

Now you can always use a 80 pound rig and just use a wind on but take one..........big Broomtails are the meanest fish in the ocean.

Have fun

Jim, my biggest fish ever is a 63# black grouper caught in the G o M. The bait was a whole slab off a very large bonito. In the Gulf, there are very few natural reefs so the captains sink old cars and trucks after anything environmentally dangerous is removed. Thus, you are having to horse these beasts out of a reef of jagged steel and iron. The captains put the drags on terminate and the moment you get a bite, the captain is in your ear screaming to pull his ass out. As I recall, not a lot of fun.

Out of Louisiana, when you are fishing for Amber Jacks, they do pretty much the same thing with the drag except when you get a bite, everyone grabs the fisherman and the captain powers the boat away from the oil rigs. There isn't any other way of catching these beasts in the rigs.

REK · Jul-02-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by riceman1011

not for an october trip... if u do find the cows that early the boat has all you need. Don't need to go spending money for the chance. 60lb is probably what u will be using most of the time for Alijos yellowfin and 40 or 50 for the Wahoo. 80 for either trolling or maybe dropper loop at the ridge something like that. What you have is perfect for a 10 day in October.

This is how all but a handful of anglers thought during our 05 late September/early October trip. Things were a bit slow, so the Excel and 105 went looking and started the 05 cowfest. We were there but as I stated before, only a handful of us had cow rigs. The boat is not going to carry rigs for everybody on the boat. We missed out. I don't blame the skipper at all. I do blame anglers. Early or late ten day trips, have a cow rig. Run and gun cows, you will be "that guy" if all you have is a 4/0 filled with spectra, tying up a boat for two hours on a ten minute fish while everybody else gets to watch the fish swim away. What are you going to do when the skipper says nothing less than a 30W or 50 filled with 130 spectra....and you don't have it? If you don't have one, borrow/rent, even if you don't use it....be prepared! Yeah, I guess it's still fresh in my mind that we did a slow pick bite at the Rocks on little YFTs when all else were slaying cows. Get a cow rig or stay fuckin home.

fishrman · Jul-02-2009, 04:19 PM

Bring one, even if you have to rent one. You never know what you're going to run into out there on those trips and you may be passing up an opportunity to catch the fish of a lifetime if you're not prepared. Go for it. Bite the bullet, especially if you plan on doing this every year.

tighthead_lock · Jul-02-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FishStalker

Just bring an avet 30W and use wind on topshots. That way you can fish 80-100 by just changing the topshot. It's what I do.

what he said.

also an october 10 day isnt going to be as cow focused as a later trip. also if you need heavier gear the boat will definetly have it on board for you.