Don't be THAT Guy

[titan05]

Originally Posted by Steve K

"It's the deck technicians who think that I need my drag adjusted, tightened, loosened, FREE-SPOOLED while the fish is taking line." I've never met That Guy. At least not yet on any of the long range trips I've taken. I have had my drag checked by more than one crew member while on the same fish. It was early in the fight and they just wanted to make sure it wasn't too tight.

I respect these guys and at least give them that respect up front. After all it is their job, and most of these "kids" have forgotten more about fishing than I'll ever know.

I also feel there's a way to go about it like, "Let me check that drag for you. How heavy is this line? And what about the spectra?" Then and only then would it be appropriate for them to adjust your drag or suggest that you adjust it. But to just walk up and tighten it because the fish is taking line, that's not right. Early in the fight, that loose drag won't hurt as much as it will later when you're trying to finish it off. It's when the drag is too tight early that you get the breakoffs. Right?

Deja Vu

[titan05]

Originally Posted by FishStalker

I saw the funniest shit on the chicken on our last trip. If there was a tangle and a couple of folks were clueless that their shit was tangled, the deckie would tie a banana or a can of soda to their hook after they sorted out the tangle and throw it back out.

Funny as shit watching the looks on the faces when they reeled in...

OMG

I fished a trip where the guy had zero, nada, nyet clue....tied his line to the rail............................OMG!!!!!!

The guy was totally cool....bought everybody on the trip a beer for being a dumbass....................he was that guy but he learned.....I'd fish with him again....if he was buying

[csmunmun]

A couple years ago when the bluefin were really really close in I called the company gunny and told him my grandma's, neighbors, cousins dog died and I needed a day off, I hoped on my favorite 3/4 day boat there on a thursday and got all rigged up and was BSing with some of the regulars and I noticed some kid is digging in my tackle bag, no big deal kids are funny, then I see he's tossing my hooks over the side and I go over just as his dad does and the kid thought that the gear was everyones and he was getting rid of my rusty hooks, no big deal it wasn't the owners just the cheapo mustads. They're deffinatly from somewhere were familly trees resemble telephone poles, and pops tells me about how much of an awesome fisherman he is and how many "big ol pig bass" he's caught. The boats started paddy hoppin and I'm starting to think this guy must be a vegatarian because he keeps casting right on top of the kelp every stop. When we finnally do see some breaking bluefin I toss out a good lively mack and 20 feet from the boat I see my bait get smashed by a good fish, probably 25-30lbs. I follow it where its going up the bow and hillbilly bob and his kid both run right up beside me and throw in and the kid looses his dean and his hook goes right into my tip and he thinks hes got a fish so his dad puts his rod down at the rail bait in the water and tells the kid to reel, I'm trying to unhook it and not loose the fish and trying to tell them he's just got my rod and his old man grabs the rod from him and gives it a good yank to set the hook. My rod tip snaps, then the line and I loose the fish. You know what shit happens, no big deal, not an expensive stick, just walk away. But its not over yet. After that I put my troller out and as were chugging along it goes off and I'm like 3 steps away from it looking out at the water. Kids dad grabs my troller, right in front of me so you know what I'll let him have it, probably a bonito anyway and they haven't got jack squat, I got a couple yellows in the bag. He calls for his kid, little dude runs over and I'm standing ther watching and the guy hands the kid my Daiwa VIP and a penn 4/0 again another not to expensive settup. The kid puts one hand on it and his dad let it go, bam right over the rail. I could have shit my pants. Now I'm pissed and I tell the guy ,politly, dude you just dropped a couple hundred dollars worth of my shit overboard. He offers to pay for it and says he's sorry. I just go sit up top and have a couple beers and enjoy the ride home. Once we get to the landing of course that guy offloads and says he'll be right back his wallet is in the car, I pretty much knew better than that and of course he got in his car and never saw him again. Skipper invited me back the next day to try again so I stayed in town drank beer and went out and tried again the next day, what can you do man. That fuckin guy is allways there. Luckily back then I was just a broke ass marine that couldn't afford nice gear, now that I'm on the private side and have collected a my Avets and seekers I might just throw his kid in the drink to fetch my gear, well Maybe not but I'd sure consider it.
Please don't be that guy, and if you are at least don't let your kid be that guy to, and if he is own up to it and be a man, dont run off and leave someone standin with their dick in the wind.

[dctalk523]

csmunmun - You are a patient man.

[wils]

Originally Posted by Steve K

"It's the deck technicians who think that I need my drag adjusted, tightened, loosened, FREE-SPOOLED while the fish is taking line." I've never met That Guy. At least not yet on any of the long range trips I've taken. I have had my drag checked by more than one crew member while on the same fish. It was early in the fight and they just wanted to make sure it wasn't too tight.

I'm glad that you have never met the POS deck technician, Steve.

Originally Posted by Steve K

I respect these guys and at least give them that respect up front. After all it is their job, and most of these "kids" have forgotten more about fishing than I'll ever know.

When I step on board any boat, I automatically respect anyone and everyone onboard. I dont really care how much someone may have forgotten. If a professional takes it upon himself to reach in and pop my reel out of gear on a hot tuna in a picky bite of triple digit fish and hungry sharks, you better believe that they are a POS...no matter how much they may have forgotten.

Originally Posted by Steve K

I also feel there's a way to go about it like, "Let me check that drag for you. How heavy is this line? And what about the spectra?" Then and only then would it be appropriate for them to adjust your drag or suggest that you adjust it. But to just walk up and tighten it because the fish is taking line, that's not right. Early in the fight, that loose drag won't hurt as much as it will later when you're trying to finish it off. It's when the drag is too tight early that you get the breakoffs. Right?

Perhaps you could start a new thread about setting drags and the who, what, when, where, and why of adjusting them. There are as many differing philosophies about the subject as there are different requirements based on style of fishing, type of gear being fished, species of fish being fished for, and sizes of those fish.

It will still boil down to:
touch my drag while I'm on a fish and "here's your POS button".

[Steve K]

Originally Posted by titan05

Deja Vu

Seems like we just had this chat.

[Steve K]

"Perhaps you could start a new thread about setting drags."

Bill, this isn't about setting drags, it's about That Guy. And about having some fun.

[Rodless_Jim]

Well, I haven't been on nearly as many trips as most of you folks, though I was on that same 4-day Lupe trip Harddrive mentioned a few posts back. I didn't think that the guy eh mentions was really "that guy," because A. He was a good guy, he just didn't know how to fish, and B. He did what the deckies told him to do to the best of his ability and understanding...he just didn't know how to fish.

I will say this much, though: there are probably some people who honestly thought I was that guy, at least on my first 3-day trip. I was using loaner gear and it was good stuff, back when Graphite USA was still a California business and successful. Fidel Moreno was their Rep, and he was a good guy. I told him I had no gear, and he set me up with 3-4 fantastic rods. But the reels were all the small tuna Accurates.

ASIDE: I hear that Accurate has added cast controls to their reels now. The trip I'm talking about was in 2003, and those reels had WAY heavy spools and no controls at all.

Anyway, we had a decent trip...good fishing for 20-25lb albies on the first morning, a slow pick for a day and a half, and then a big finish with a WFO Yellow Fin Tuna bite (smallish fish).

But not ME. Oh, I caught some fish and did OK. Once I got my bait away from the rail, I did pretty well, in fact. The problem was, I couldn't GET my bait away from the rail. I just couldn't cast those Accurate reels. Hey, I'd been fishing baitcasting reels for nearly 30 years...I may not be GREAT but I know HOW. But I couldn't cast more than about 6 feet, no matter what I tried. And virtually every time, I got an ugly backlash. And I mean UGLY.

OK, granted, we were throwing anchovies, and I was usaing reels that I later learned are notoriously difficult to cast without a TON of practice...but I didn't know that then. I was shamed and humilated before the entire boat...a humbling experience that I suppose I must have deserved on some level.

Yes, my bait swam wherever it wanted to go as I pulled out the endless backlashes, and yes, I tangled a few people in the process. I felt bad about it at the time, and worse since. But no mone was cruel...they were all catching as many fish as they wanted, non-stop, and I was trying desperately to clear a backlash, get a new bait in the water, and catch just a couple.

Anyone who was on that trip, I sincerely apologize for being "that guy."

[wils]

Originally Posted by Steve K

"Perhaps you could start a new thread about setting drags."

Bill, this isn't about setting drags, it's about That Guy. And about having some fun.

Maybe you could start a thread about drags. Or one about how you may not be very impressed with the drag setting skills of the crew members on Long Range boats.

I was just talking about "that guy", not the entire long range fleet. it just so happened that "that guy" was on two separate trips. and you said to say why they were "that guy". sorry if my "that guy" didn't fit into your thread on "that guy".

[Redline]

This thread could go on forever, "that guy" is everywhere!

[GiantSquid]

Originally Posted by csmunmun

A couple years ago when the bluefin were really really close in I called the company gunny and told him my grandma's, neighbors, cousins dog died and I needed a day off, I hoped on my favorite 3/4 day boat there on a thursday and got all rigged up and was BSing with some of the regulars and I noticed some kid is digging in my tackle bag, no big deal kids are funny, then I see he's tossing my hooks over the side and I go over just as his dad does and the kid thought that the gear was everyones and he was getting rid of my rusty hooks, no big deal it wasn't the owners just the cheapo mustads. They're deffinatly from somewhere were familly trees resemble telephone poles, and pops tells me about how much of an awesome fisherman he is and how many "big ol pig bass" he's caught. The boats started paddy hoppin and I'm starting to think this guy must be a vegatarian because he keeps casting right on top of the kelp every stop. When we finnally do see some breaking bluefin I toss out a good lively mack and 20 feet from the boat I see my bait get smashed by a good fish, probably 25-30lbs. I follow it where its going up the bow and hillbilly bob and his kid both run right up beside me and throw in and the kid looses his dean and his hook goes right into my tip and he thinks hes got a fish so his dad puts his rod down at the rail bait in the water and tells the kid to reel, I'm trying to unhook it and not loose the fish and trying to tell them he's just got my rod and his old man grabs the rod from him and gives it a good yank to set the hook. My rod tip snaps, then the line and I loose the fish. You know what shit happens, no big deal, not an expensive stick, just walk away. But its not over yet. After that I put my troller out and as were chugging along it goes off and I'm like 3 steps away from it looking out at the water. Kids dad grabs my troller, right in front of me so you know what I'll let him have it, probably a bonito anyway and they haven't got jack squat, I got a couple yellows in the bag. He calls for his kid, little dude runs over and I'm standing ther watching and the guy hands the kid my Daiwa VIP and a penn 4/0 again another not to expensive settup. The kid puts one hand on it and his dad let it go, bam right over the rail. I could have shit my pants. Now I'm pissed and I tell the guy ,politly, dude you just dropped a couple hundred dollars worth of my shit overboard. He offers to pay for it and says he's sorry. I just go sit up top and have a couple beers and enjoy the ride home. Once we get to the landing of course that guy offloads and says he'll be right back his wallet is in the car, I pretty much knew better than that and of course he got in his car and never saw him again. Skipper invited me back the next day to try again so I stayed in town drank beer and went out and tried again the next day, what can you do man. That fuckin guy is allways there. Luckily back then I was just a broke ass marine that couldn't afford nice gear, now that I'm on the private side and have collected a my Avets and seekers I might just throw his kid in the drink to fetch my gear, well Maybe not but I'd sure consider it.
Please don't be that guy, and if you are at least don't let your kid be that guy to, and if he is own up to it and be a man, dont run off and leave someone standin with their dick in the wind.

Thats the best so far. Shit.

[csmunmun]

Originally Posted by dctalk523

csmunmun - You are a patient man.

The problem with that guy is you can't really do shit about it most of the time. I mean you can punch him in the throat, but do you really want to do that in front of his kid or anyone else's kids, or old lady? Then you get back to the dock to the fuzz waiting with a nice shiney set of bracelets for ya, skippers don't want that kind of bad attention on their boats. You may not get asked back on that vessel, your just screwed if you make a bad situation worse. Theres a lot of keyboard toughguys out there, but I've never seen that guy get his ass kicked once, which is a good thing.