L.O.S.T. post on Rodbuilding.org forum

rodblder · Nov-04-2009, 10:00 AM

Seems nobody at that forum understands it either(or believes it)

venturarodlure · Nov-04-2009, 10:23 AM

That seemed like some people just want to blast Dave. Whatever, we all have our opinions and ways of doing things. I don't build rods like Dave, but his rods and mine will both catch you a fish. Dave does a lot more research than most people and he puts a lot of time into the rods. It does seem like this is more of a personal thing between you and Dave and saying "look these guys think he's a dumbass" doesn't do much for the board here. It may serve to stroke the egos of the people who don't like Dave on the other board you mention, but doesn't contribute much to rod building..
Nobody said directly "look these guys think he's a dumbass"..I just though that was where you were trying to lead us...

DocSki · Nov-04-2009, 11:32 AM

God (and Dave) knows we have gone head to head on some rodbuilding subjects in the past but I respect the efforts he puts into his rod building. I know several rod builders past and present who look into every aspect of building a rod. I have to say that (though I am mostly a caveman and dont change much of anything that I have done for my 30 plus years of professional rod building) I applaud the lengths to which these builders will go to make the rod they way THEY feel they should be done. I dont entirely understand LOST (mostly cause I dont try) but the efforts employed in developing the ideas is pretty darned impressive. Dave, Emory, the late Cliff Hall and many others work hard at their craft. I am mostly non scientific and I dont need to know why something works, just that it does. I dont necessarily agree with some of the theories in our craft today but without the "why? and How does this work?" askers we all still be in the cave(not all bad, divorce rates were low and now taxes) so maybe we should look and all letting each other live. Also lets realize there could be more at work with some at the above site than is made public. I know personally I have taken a few arrows there even when being supportive. It is a great site but there are lots of good sites with lots of information and we should realize NO ONE has ALL the answers for everyone and every situation - OOOPS maybe that is why it is called CUSTOM ROD BUILDING. Not picking on Jim, Dave, Emory, or .org just putting in my useless two cents. Now I will go back into the cave.

Zombie · Nov-04-2009, 11:47 AM

Sorry Doc...

DocSki · Nov-04-2009, 12:18 PM

Perfect Randy can you send me that picture? I think I can "customize it for my avatar.

rodblder · Nov-04-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombie

Sorry Doc...

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are................

Red Monster · Nov-04-2009, 02:17 PM

Dave has showed me first hand on MY ROD how and why the LOST wrap works. Until you have seen the mechanics behind the design and placement of the guides then you really are missing something. I'm not sure that the design is for me but I do have a rod , layed out by Dave and then built by me. I have fished it several times in the SF bay for halibut but didn't catch anything on those trips so I can't offer up a evaluation.

I would hope that the promoters of next years West Coast show could possibly entice Dave into giving a seminar on the LOST wrap.

John

**SALTYDAWG** · Nov-04-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Monster

Dave has showed me first hand on MY ROD how and why the LOST wrap works. Until you have seen the mechanics behind the design and placement of the guides then you really are missing something. I'm not sure that the design is for me but I do have a rod , layed out by Dave and then built by me. I have fished it several times in the SF bay for halibut but didn't catch anything on those trips so I can't offer up a evaluation.

I would hope that the promoters of next years West Coast show could possibly entice Dave into giving a seminar on the LOST wrap.

John

I'd actually watch the seminar, But reading the theory, With all Dave's perdy werds numbs my mind

Red Monster · Nov-04-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SALTYDAWG

I'd actually watch the seminar, But reading the theory, With all Dave's perdy werds numbs my mind

It might help to burn one first.

Russ57 · Nov-04-2009, 05:59 PM

Perhaps you guys can clue me in on the basic details of Dave's system? I only know the little I have seen on-line. That tells me he feels the guides load the blank and one needs to place them so the line contacts them. I load the blank from the tip alone and then place the guides so that the line from the reel follows the curve of the blank when so loaded.

I guess I'm of the frame of mind that all blanks perform best as a cane poles and the second we start putting stuff on them we are heading downhill. I just try to place my "stuff" so the rod bends the same way it would if fished like a cane pole.

But then I'm a caveman who hasn't built much in the last 30 years so please educate me

Comedie · Nov-04-2009, 09:23 PM

LOST is simple, for anyone who has actually bothered to think about it. Anyone do static testing on their conventional rods or spinning rods to balance the loads between the guides? Anyone???? Of course competent builders do. And that is basically what LOST is all about. It is about spreading out the loads on a spiral and eliminating what Cliff Hall used to call the NLC (non loading condition) which can setup a section of blank for breakage.
And because of the nature of the spiral, LOST also cleans up the line path.

Frankly, it is simple enough that I've yet to see a single person not understand it when they actually tried. And because of the simplicity, it leaves only a few reasons for someone to say bad things:
* they simply don't care (in which case they'd be quiet anyway)
* they haven't even bothered to understand it
* they suffer from Not Invented Here syndrome
* they feel the need to defend what poor spirals they've done (which BTW also means they opened their eyes enough to recognize it)
* they feel they've fallen off their ego throne
* they are brain cell deferring and listen to someone else suffering from some mix of the aforementioned
* they are part of that 50% who are below median intelligence

Comedie · Nov-04-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SALTYDAWG

I'd actually watch the seminar, But reading the theory, With all Dave's perdy werds numbs my mind

Good call Bill.
Try describing how to do static testing concisely. Yeah, we know what it is, but try describing it.
Then just show someone in real time. That is exactly the case with LOST.
I remember Doc last year was confused. Then in 10 minutes at the WCRS 08, I showed him. Was an "oh of course" sorta thing.
Easy to see, tough to describe. Simplified enough, it really is trying to get a spiral to load like the blank it is built on. In other words, design by static testing.