LOST Spiral - JAWS JI7604

REP · Oct-17-2009, 08:19 PM

As always, Dave, beautiful work, spiral or not.

Uncle Russ
Calico Creek Rods

Comedie · Oct-27-2009, 08:08 PM

Thanks Russ. It wasn't what I was aiming for exactly, but came out OK in the end.

Took this thing out on the 7 day last week. The grips were an experiment in that I wondered if they would get slick and hard to hold onto, or if the PVC would have any problems from heat or twisting. I had no problems with either worry, so I'm pretty pleased with that.

Capt. G · Oct-28-2009, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Comedie

Thanks Russ. It wasn't what I was aiming for exactly, but came out OK in the end.

Took this thing out on the 7 day last week. The grips were an experiment in that I wondered if they would get slick and hard to hold onto, or if the PVC would have any problems from heat or twisting. I had no problems with either worry, so I'm pretty pleased with that.

That is good to know that the PVC does not slip---I have been wanting to try that since you told me about it several months ago.
Can I tell people that I invented the PvC coating?
(What does PVC stand for, anyway?)

How was your 7 day trip?

Comedie · Oct-28-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt. G

That is good to know that the PVC does not slip---I have been wanting to try that since you told me about it several months ago.
Can I tell people that I invented the PvC coating?
(What does PVC stand for, anyway?)

How was your 7 day trip?

Well I contoured the grip some to give the pvc some mechanical bite. So it isn't completely round. Gave my hand more grip as well.
Basically, I laid three lines of cord lengthwise (sides and bottom), then overwrapped that with cord to build up the grip diameter. Encased that with white PVC shrink, then CKW wrap, and clear PVC shrink over the top with epoxy on about 1/2" of the ends.

For this I used the thick wall PVC, as used in outdoor electrical work. Pretty tough stuff. The Wizard of Oz told me that FEP shrink works well too,,,, sounds tougher, but also has a tint to it. The PVC is crystal clear and I've a bunch of it, so I went with that.

PVC=poly vinyl chloride. Also used for some plumbing bits, and might make a fair mezcal mixer

Invented? Heck this stuff is evolutionary. Scott mentioned it to me at the first WCRS as an oddity. Bunch of people have tripped over the mono thing, but I think we're the first ones to actually get it to a fairly stabile point of utility and then do something with it. But heck, you can tell folks you invented it. Just remember us little guys when you become rich and famous.

Oh,,, the 7 day was OK. That darn hurricane changed the boat plans tho. And I guess I need to buy/make a smattering of the SoCal style jigs that the fish seemed to like best. But I still ended up with enough Yellow Fin Tuna and rockfish to top off the freezer, some to give away, and a case of canned Yellowtail.

CALCOfshr · Oct-28-2009, 11:22 AM

Very nice work Dave, as always! Glad to hear the trip went well.
Chuck

DenisB · Oct-28-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Comedie

And I guess I need to buy/make a smattering of the SoCal style jigs that the fish seemed to like best.

Ohhhh dear...................now you are going to have to polish your casting skills.

Comedie · Oct-28-2009, 04:42 PM

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Ohhhh dear...................now you are going to have to polish your casting skills.

Well I saw three jigs on that trip where the jig was broken off at the eye. Some cheap pot metal or zinc I guess. So I'd be prone to cut/grind them out of something a bit more solid if I made them,,,, like brass perhaps

DenisB · Oct-29-2009, 02:56 AM

Off topic but;
brass.............she don't wobble so good in that caper unfortunately
Zinc for the drop iron
Aluminium for the surface iron
lead alloy for the deepdrop iron
Brass if you want to cast a skin & fill with epoxy, but more trouble than its really worth
The well known commercial Zinc & aluminium brands are very reliable if appropriately looked after between trips.
2c

- back to the topic.

Comedie · Oct-29-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DenisB

Off topic but;
brass.............she don't wobble so good in that caper unfortunately
Zinc for the drop iron
Aluminium for the surface iron
lead alloy for the deepdrop iron
Brass if you want to cast a skin & fill with epoxy, but more trouble than its really worth
The well known commercial Zinc & aluminium brands are very reliable if appropriately looked after between trips.
2c

- back to the topic.

OK,,, so sounds like the broken ones I saw were mishandled or abnormal in some way. A lot of variants, but looks like the prices on them are not so high as to warrant making them either. Unless perhaps by internally wired and weighted cast resin, which would be pretty easy.

DocSki · Oct-29-2009, 10:53 AM

I have surely broken my share of Iron. Most of it after the fish is gaffed and the iron slapps the deck. I always file it under "ca ca occurs" Had some Tady BAs years ago that were certainly harder and great for yo-yo-ing but I am sure overally pretty cost prohibitive. I have actually seen a lot of breakage in other lures too. Mostly the same way(dropping or slapping it on the deck) Not sure how much decelleration trama these things are ment to take.

Comedie · Oct-29-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DocSki

I have surely broken my share of Iron. Most of it after the fish is gaffed and the iron slapps the deck. I always file it under "ca ca occurs" Had some Tady BAs years ago that were certainly harder and great for yo-yo-ing but I am sure overally pretty cost prohibitive. I have actually seen a lot of breakage in other lures too. Mostly the same way(dropping or slapping it on the deck) Not sure how much decelleration trama these things are ment to take.

Makes sense,,, the three I saw last week broken, the guys had both pieces. So it happened out of the water.

DenisB · Oct-29-2009, 04:37 PM

fish can sure give some velocity to them lures when they shake their head & deceleration on the deck is a bitch.
even worse if your shin gets in the way.........saves the lure, but your shin takes the damage.

Interestingly , a lot of the eylet problem is generated in storage.
- paint lost between rings & eylet hole from use.
- metal to metal contact
- galvanic reaction between dissimilar metals.
- the combination of stainless rings & aluminium jig body is particularly bad.
- especially so where the jigs are not washed after trips & the humidity in the air between trips makes a lovely connection with the salt between the ring & any chips in the paintwork on the lure.

notice how the pitting is nearly always worse around the rings..........the jig is acting as an anode trying to protect the ring, despite the fact that a S/steel ring does not need protecting...........it still happens

Depending on the alloying in the jig metal , it makes the metal in the eyelet area sort of spongey with both external pitting & internal corrosion .............makes the lure very brittle in that area & breaks even easier.

Just a bit of metallurgy from an earlier lifetime coming out guys.

washing jigs as well as rods & reels after use & before storage is a good idea...............won't stop jig breakages, but helps keep the eyelet areas at maximum strength.