Question? Why single wrap , double wrap, triple wrap

killerjig · Dec-15-2008, 10:43 AM

Is it just for looks or does it really matter. Thanks

Comedie · Dec-15-2008, 11:26 AM

Certainly the more wraps, the stronger and more durable it is. If not for the thread itself, then because their is more epoxy saturated in the thread.
I triple wrap everything. A layer of thin Madeira-ish 40wt thread for the underwraps. Gives me a little cushioning and form fitting to the feet. Then I wrap the guides on with B or D, the heavier thread for heavier rods. And then I overwrap that again with another layer of thin Madeira-ish 40wt, which adds some strength and abrasion resistance, and also results in a smoother look. By using the thin embroidery thread for the top and bottom, I'm trying to minimize the size and still get the benefits

Capt. G · Dec-15-2008, 11:39 AM

I actually have hard, empirical data that answers that very question, which I may post in the near future in this forum.

DocSki · Dec-15-2008, 11:50 AM

Post it PLEASE G.

I have mostly double or triple wrapped for the reasons Dave have said and probably just because that is the way I learned from My Dad and Jean Harrington. Occasionally I will do a single overwrap and not under wrap IF I am making a walleye or UL trout rod of some kind. Recently did a drop shot rod that way wanting to see if there way a dramatic change in sensitivity. Not really sure I gained anything since I am a line watcher and feeler. I know others have shown scientific data that does but not sure my tactile senses can feel it. Oh by the way this is just MHO.

Ps I only single wrap fly rods up to 9wt.

venturarodlure · Dec-15-2008, 11:59 AM

Enlighten us Capt. This debate has gone on forever!

Zombie · Dec-15-2008, 02:30 PM

Andy,
I do pretty much what has been stated. On the FW and very light SW stuff where I don't use underwraps then I just overwrap with one (usually). On all the heavier SW stuff up to the trollers I use one underwrap and two overwraps. On the all the heavy SW trolling rods I do one underwrap and three overwraps. That's the way I was shown from a long-time builder so I've just stayed with that. On the rods where I have multiple wraps I have yet to have a guide come loose from normal use. The only single wrapped rods I've had issues with were guides wrapped with Madiera or nylon and using CP. I know alot of other builders never have a problem with using CP on guide wraps but for some reason it doesn't agree with me. And, looks are another benefit (IMO) on multiple wraps. I'm really not sure there's a right or wrong answer to your question since I think most builders build in their comfort level and single and multiple thread guide wraps have both been around longer than I. My .02, Randy.

FAT CAT · Dec-15-2008, 04:11 PM

Years ago, rods were wrapped with silk thread, which was much less strong then the nylon thread used today. I believe that is where the practice of multi-wrapping began. Whether multi-layers is actually needed today or not is up for debate, but I believe the rods that are multi-wrapped will look better longer that those that are not (saltwater rods).

Today there are some builders that never use more than one layer of thread for their guide wraps and some won't use thread larger than size "A." Personally, I think one layer of size A is adequate for fly rods, light freshwater rods etc, but still use multi-layer wraps for saltwater rods.

I use an underwrap of size A as a base and then a double wrap to attach guides. Often I'll use a second layer (size A) of another color (or several colors) in the area between the guide feet as well. On lighter rods I use size A or B, but on heavier rods I use size D to attach the guides. An added benefit of a second layer is more attractive wraps, as you can mix colors and thread patterns to make your rods unique.

Hope this helps you.

Capt. G · Dec-15-2008, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venturarodlure

Enlighten us Capt. This debate has gone on forever!

This will not end the debate, but it will shed some light on a few misconceptions.
http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/ro...ampersand.html (On single wraps, cattle prods, and ampersand)

BTW, your Steelers rod is cmoming along quite nicely. It will be ready for when I come out in March.

BTW, 2, Do you have fire insurance?