Rockfish and short fish in Mexico answers

[benitosan]

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/enforcement/do...ation_form.pdf

[skipjack-20]

"Although this is a cool exception, I think anyone who takes these beautiful fish or any other short fish no matter where they are at should have their boat sunk and rods snapped. There is no excuse for that in my book."


Well, In "my book"

An ANCHORED and INFORMATIONAL thread should not include personal opinions or extreme judgements, such as the one stated above.

[capnjackv]

Originally Posted by skipjack-20

"Although this is a cool exception, I think anyone who takes these beautiful fish or any other short fish no matter where they are at should have their boat sunk and rods snapped. There is no excuse for that in my book."


Well, In "my book"

An ANCHORED and INFORMATIONAL thread should not include personal opinions or extreme judgements, such as the one stated above.

I am also confused as to why he thinks its a cool exception but follows that up with the kooky boat sinking rod snapping stuff. You would think he would refer to it as a bad exception.

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by jrefkin

Hey guys, I’ve been reading the posts about Rockfish fishing down in DFG does not enforce Mexican regulations, per say. Instead, they enforce Mexico during the California rockfish closure and size limits down in Mexico and how people are confused. I have a law background so I did a little research. I also spoke with a knowledgeable Lieutenant with DFG today. Basically it goes like this:

California’s importation laws. When we fish down in Mexico and bring the fish back to San Diego, we are importing into California. There was a change in the law last year, Fish and Game Code section 2353- it says:

(a) Birds, mammals, fish, reptiles, or amphibians shall not
be imported or possessed in this state unless all of the following
requirements are met:
(1) The animals were legally taken and legally possessed outside
of this state.
(2) This code and regulations adopted pursuant thereto do not
expressly prohibit their possession in this state.
(3) A declaration is submitted to the department or a designated
state or federal agency at or immediately before the time of entry,
in the form and manner prescribed by the department.

This basically says that anything that is illegal to possess in California, is illegal to import. The Lt said short fish falls under that category. You can take short fish in Mexico, but you can’t possess them in California- so don’t bring em back. You also can’t possess illegal fillets in California. So make sure your bass and Halibut fillets are the legal size.

The Lt. said there is an exception to the rockfish closure. California Code of Regulations, Title 14 section 27.51(b)- this regulation allows rockfish to be taken in open areas and transported back through closed areas aboard vessels in transit with no fishing gear in the water. This means if you catch rockfish in Mex and want to bring back to California, you can’t stop and fish in US waters or stop and fish off IB or in SD Bay, etc. The Lt. said the exception is Cowcod, Yelloweye, and Canary Rockfish. These species can’t be possessed year round in California, so they cannot be imported into California from Mexico.

There is a Black Seabass section too in the reg book (section 28.10, page 41 in the 2008 DFG reg book) that allows you to take up to two Black Seabass in Mexico and bring them back into California provided you have a declaration and a Mexican fishing license. Although this is a cool exception, I think anyone who takes these beautiful fish or any other short fish no matter where they are at should have their boat sunk and rods snapped. There is no excuse for that in my book.

So, long story short, you can’t bring in short fish from Mexico. You can fish for Rockfish in Mexcio during the California closure and bring them back provided you don’t stop to fish in the US on the way back, but don’t take any Cowcod, Yelloweye, or Canary Rockfish. Hope that helps. Look up the sections if you want to see for yourself.

John Refkin

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For someone with a background in law you sure have a lot of personal interjection here. Until the DFG site reflects all of the second hand hear say I'd think it safe that any Judge would look at the hard coded information presented before him and find anyone that was ticketed for a bsb that had a form filled out and a couple of pics would easily win the case.

I seriously doubt new laws get announced in the DFG meeting rooms that have no public mention and somehow are expected to be enforced. What other "secret" new laws are the DFG holding back?

[brice]

wait....i'm confused. what is "beautiful" about a black sea ass?

[pv apollo]

That might be some one's wife, mother or sister...just a thought...

[mc08066]

Now, Now Scott,
Don't get pissed, he just did not know there was a relationship between the two of you.

[capnjackv]

Originally Posted by pv apollo

That might be some one's wife, mother or sister...just a thought...

I think it is Brice's wife.

[Jaydog]

Originally Posted by capnjackv

I think it is Brice's wife.

Damnnnn, Brice is da man!

PS-Your getting a sense of humor in your old age.

[jrefkin]

Thanks for the pokes on my personal interjection. I was just trying to give everyone a heads up on the new law I heard about. I guess my comment about snapped rods and sunken boats sounded harsh and the comment was aimed at people taking black sea bass not so much short fish. I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone, and I apologize if anyone has snapped a rod or had their boat sink on them while taking home a black seabass. Sorry Brice's wife got in the mix here too. Nevertheless, I still think it stinks for anyone to keep a Black Seabass or short fish regardless of where they caught it. So, in light of previous comments, no, I don't think the black seabass regulation is a cool exception.



Yes, if you have a black seabass, a declaration ("the form"), a mexican license, the judge WILL throw the case out because that what the law requires. So there you go. Go poach a BSB at Catalina and come in with your falsified declaration and Mexican license and see if you get away with it.
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[crazy hawaiian]

Quote "The Lt. said there is an exception to the rockfish closure. California Code of Regulations, Title 14 section 27.51(b)- this regulation allows rockfish to be taken in open areas and transported back through closed areas aboard vessels in transit with no fishing gear in the water. This means if you catch rockfish in Mex and want to bring back to California, you can’t stop and fish in US waters or stop and fish off IB or in SD Bay, etc. The Lt. said the exception is Cowcod, Yelloweye, and Canary Rockfish. These species can’t be possessed year round in California, so they cannot be imported into California from Mexico."

So, that kid that recently caught the well publizied (sic) 25# cowcod recently is now sitting behind bars?

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by crazy hawaiian

Quote "The Lt. said there is an exception to the rockfish closure. California Code of Regulations, Title 14 section 27.51(b)- this regulation allows rockfish to be taken in open areas and transported back through closed areas aboard vessels in transit with no fishing gear in the water. This means if you catch rockfish in Mex and want to bring back to California, you can’t stop and fish in US waters or stop and fish off IB or in SD Bay, etc. The Lt. said the exception is Cowcod, Yelloweye, and Canary Rockfish. These species can’t be possessed year round in California, so they cannot be imported into California from Mexico."

So, that kid that recently caught the well publizied (sic) 25# cowcod recently is now sitting behind bars?

Where do we send donations for the bail money? I wonder if the landings know they have been breaking the law all this time?

Why do I smell Corn Dog about now