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Old Jul-04-2009, 09:46 PM   #1
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Options July 3rd Report at SCI and Seiner Drama

I was lucky enough to get onto this 976tuna charter fishing on July 3rd onboard the Options. I arrived at Pierpoint Landing and boarded at 7:30pm and was greeted by the Options’ crew (Andy and Auggie) and Captain Tino Valentine. Capt. Tino discuss tomorrow’s game plan and told us water condition is a bit bumpy and we will be heading to SCI where the bruiser yellows and white seabass are biting in the early grey and informed us to fish with minimum of 40# line as the fish are averaging 25-40 pounds. We rolled off the dock an hour early (8pm) as Tino wanted to get to SCI early to anchor us on a good spot before it gets too crowded. We stopped at Catalina Island to get live squid from the bait boat as we all know that all the squid was wrapped up by the seiners at SCI a few days ago then we proceeded to San Clemente Island. Capt Tino anchored us on a good spot full of squid nest and very surprisingly we were able to raise the squid…indeed a lot of them too. We made two full tanks of live squid, then Tino decided to help out the local fleet by filling up an extra receiver and offer to help bait up the Aggressor from Newport Landing. As we reposition the boat the receiver got sucked beneath the boat and got stuck there….Tino took a swim with millions of squid to free the receiver from the bottom of the boat.

At 5:00 am everything was squared away and we have 6 lines in the water waiting for the grey bite along with 40+ Southern California sportboats and private boats in the area. At 5:30 am, we have this goddamn seiner “Ocean Angel 3” cruised in between boats and threw seal bombs everywhere as if he didn’t give a shit and hint to the smaller boats to get the hell of his way. The seiner then circled around a bait boat that was anchored next to us and threw out a set of net trapping them and forcing them out of their original position with their net set. The bait boat had a few words with the seiner. This all happened just 20 yards from us!!! Everybody onboard was like “WTF is he doing?” as the floats/net set was 50 feet from our stern as the damn seiner started to drag the net across the ocean floor ruining disturbing the possible grey bite and disrespecting the entire fleet of sport-fishermen. Tino knew that with the seiner wrapping up the squid and dragging those nets across the bottom just 50 feet behind our stern would very possibly shut down the bite. Tino then purposely place an underwater light to attract some of the leftover squid to the boat which later resulted into an epic 2 hour yellowtail bite. Tino was disturbed by the seiner’s action and yelled “THANKS GUYS FOR RUINING IT FOR EVERYBODY!” The seiner responded with a loud “HA HA HA…I MAKE MORE MONEY IN ONE NIGHT THEN YOU MAKE IN A YEAR”. A few more words were exchanged until we got our first hookup. The jacka$$ seiner responded by moving the vessel closer to us, dropped the anchor and dragged it right behind our stern. The worst part was that the DFG warden boat was just 200 yards away from us. Instead of doing anything to protect us (taxpayers, sport-fishermen, the sport-fishing industry), the DFG just took off like nothing ever happened…why the heck was the DFG burned all that gas to SCI and take off like that when they could have done something to protect us and the ocean???

What I thought saved the bite was the underwater light and Tino and the crew BRAILING scoops of squid when the yellows popped up. We ended up with 16 yellows (25-37pounds) in just 2 hours of fishing for the six of us. We moved around, drifted around, and at last anchored at Tino’s honey-hole to pick up another 4 yellows (5-10 pounds), approximately 50 calicos, 9 sheepheads, 2 white seabass, 1 halibut and a few bottom grabbers. This is the first time I fished with Option Sportfishing and I have to give major props for this operation. The captain and the crew know their shit and super cool to fish with!!! And the fish count tells the story. I have been out on 6 fishing trips for the past 6 weeks looking to get my first-ever legal WSB….and finally, Tino got me my first-ever WSB, my personal best sheephead, and my personal best yellowtail on this trip. I stayed persistent and listened to his advice on fishing the dropper loop the entire trip and it paid off. If you haven’t fished with Tino on the Options, you are missing out…they are the best for what they do. I will definitely be back!

Final fish count: 6 happy angler, 20 yellowtail, 2 white seabass, 1 halibut, 50 calicos, 9 sheephead, 1 whitefish, 3 johny bass.

I personal got: 4 yellowtail, 1 white seabass, 1 sheephead, 6 calicos, 1 whitefish, 1 johnybass and a hell of a fishing trip!

Regarding the seiner drama, this is my take. We all, as sport-fishermen and recreational anglers have to pay for ocean enhancement stamp and fishing license to fish our water and have to abide to the rules and regulations, which I think is totally reasonable. BUT when you see these seiners raping…I meant wrapping up every source of life out there is seriously heart-breaking and NOT FAIR! They can have “accidental catch” as much as they want and they can get away with almost all the time. We as fishermen got BLAMED for overfishing but in reality it is the damn seiners raping our ocean and screwing up the biomass and screwing everything up for everybody. When they wrap for squid, their nets drag along the bottom wiping out the squid nest. In those sets, they get squid AND a massive amount of “accidental catch”. Each “accidental catch” probably outnumbered the amount of fish taken from the entire fleet for the entire day! On top of that, wrapping up all the squid (like they have been doing) screws up the biomass…all fish at the island relies on squid as their food source. They leave when there is no food. We CARE for our ocean but those damn seiners don’t give a shit. There should be some sort of regulations that STOPS their bullshit on “accidental catch” and some sort of regulations on the amount they are allow to keep just like us sport-fishermen. DFG have to do something about this…if they really care about the ocean, they should start with the seiners. Everyone was surprised the DFG took off like that and DIDN’T do shit when the incident happened…for both regulation purposes and safety reasons. Why are we getting MPLA closures when those damn seiner can wrap all they want? Us fishermen gets a pick on fish here and there comparing to damn seiners raping the entire school or even population....do the math. Who hurts the fish population and environment more....fishermen or seiners....it is not rocket science. One more thing I didn't quite understand is that...if the seiner was REALLY wrapping for squid, why didn't he wrap in earlier hours when there were shitload of squid floating...why did he have to throw out the net at grey when fish comes in to the island to feed? What was his purpose...only god would know.

I believe in Karma and thanks for reading.

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Old Jul-04-2009, 09:56 PM   #2
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The DFG can do nothing because he has the right of way while fishing. Sad but they could have hassled you for not getting out of the way.
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I need to cool off before I respond to this....Particularly as it correlates to the MPA's,,,,,,Somebody take the lead while I mellow...
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Don't even start with the local seiners. Just know they have the right of way. We don't need any more drama with this MLPA shit. Wait until this is over, trust me.
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Don't even start with the local seiners. We don't need any more drama with this MLPA shit. Wait until this is over, trust me.
Why not? Explain to me why as an angler I shouldn't be bothered..BTW I've done my best in the last few months to educate myself re: "the process" If you have new info for me to learn from I'd like to hear it...I'm trying to educate myself as my opinion evolves..
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Why not? Explain to me why as an angler I shouldn't be bothered..BTW I've done my best in the last few months to educate myself re: "the process" If you have new info for me to learn from I'd like to hear it...I'm trying to educate myself as my opinion evolves..
I'm not trying to start shit...But..........
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seiners have the right of way to rape our waters and we have to get out of their way? this totally sucks
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seiners have the right of way to rape our waters and we have to get out of their way? this totally sucks
It does.
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cuz hes fishing??? what were the paying passengers on the OPTIONS doing, having a picnic????????
Seiners have wiped out more bites from La Jolla To Ventura with no disregard for local private boaters and especially the enviorment for years.When will this crap stop???
10 years ago, there were no seiners and one could catch fish on a squid nest for a month before it would spawn and fish would finally move on. Now a spawn never happens. Squid never has a chance to repopulate, hell even its eggs are torn apart by lead lined nets that scrap the sand. Bottom line, squid has come to the so cal region for millions of years untouched for all creatures of the sea to feed and flourish on. In the last 10 years these harvesters of destruction from as far north as Washington have come here and destroyed more biomass in 10 years than anything imaginable in a million years !!!!! If we must all pay for ocean enhancement stamps and obide by a limit of white seabass that is limited to 1 fish during the months of March 15th -June 15th to protect the species and its spawn, then why the hell do these nets get to kill all of its food source to ensure a healthy spawn during these same months ???????? Why???? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
For evry lb. of squid wrapped, the D.F.G makes a percentage. It's called a landing tax. The more squid that is wrapped, the moe $$$ the D.F.G makes !! Kind of ironic huh ? The commercial seiner fleet makes annual income for the D.F.G. where the sportfishing community only provides revenue from fishing licences and violatons resulting in huge fines. For this reason it is not only allowed, but incouraged. Add the politacal implications of impotation/exportation. Over 85% of the squid harvested in our local waters is exported to mostly Asian countries so that in turn. the U.S. will receive its importations. Its all about the $$$ !!!! These are merely the facts and we are all left dealing with them . God save us all !!!!!
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money makes friends and like the seiner said he makes more money in a night than tino in a year. but tino could find his boat and....
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Old Jul-05-2009, 06:19 AM   #11
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Sounds like great fishing!
Sorry that you guys had an unpleasant interaction with a seiner operator that sounds like a jerk...

That being said, I'd like to clear up a few incorrect statements on this thread.

The seiner had the right of way. The law says that all other boats need to remain 1/8th of a mile away from a working light boat. If the seiner wrapped near you, you were within 1/8th of a mile of his light boat and in the wrong. The captain of your boat knows the law and should legally have moved his boat before the seiner made his set.

This is just an assumption, but the reason that the seiner anchored was probably because he didn't have room drift while he got his catch on the boat (which is the standard procedure) due to too many private boats in the area.

Seiners have been commercial fishing squid for more than the last 10 years in our local waters. They have actually been doing it for a VERY long time (well over 50 years and probably much longer).

There are a couple of reasons more people see them or hear about seeing them these days. The first reason is that they spend more of the year fishing squid than they have in the recent past. They are not doing it to "rape" the ocean, they are doing it because there has been a larger bio-mass of squid around lately and it's been sticking around in the summertime. This is certainly not an indication that they have been wiping out the fishery. The second reason is the internet. It used to be that if there was a yellowtail or seabass bite at Clemente or Cat, there would be some sportboats and a hand full of private boaters fishing it. Now with the availability of instant information available on the web, these bites get a lot more pressure with sometimes hundreds of private boats showing up to fish the area. The seiners who used to work around the smaller fleet, now have to compete with the flotilla of private boaters that is on scene every time the squid shows up.

Purse seine fishing is one of the cleanest methods of commercial fishing, so the nonsense about heavy by catch is ridiculous... When a purse seiner makes a set, they are targeting a specific school of fish (squid), drop their net around it and catch those fish. Their nets do not drag along the bottom over huge areas and "wipe out all of the squid nests". Seiners also do not intentionally wrap schools of seabass and yellows on the squid grounds because there is nothing for them to do with those fish if they caught them. They are there to catch squid (which is much more profitable). They also don't wrap reefs or other structure that holds game fish because they would damage their very expensive nets in the process.

There is a reason that the seiner didn't set the squid when they were "up floating" and instead waited until just before dawn. When squid are up floating, they spread out over a wide area and they would get less fish in their set. Instead, they waited until the squid had balled back up closer to the bottom and they were able to catch a better load with one set.

I'm not a commercial fisherman and I have no horse in this race.
So, I'm not looking to get flamed or get into an argument over what I've posted. I am just trying to dispel some of the rumors and inconsistencies in what people are saying.
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I'm not trying to start shit...But..........
Carl. Over 90% of the worlds market squid comes from the SOCAL bight. The $ involved is amazing. Right now is the first time commercial guys and sport guys are sticking together for something. Lets not give the assholes on the other side any ammo with posts that involve the words rape, and ocean. Its time to just bite our tongues on some things, and stand up for whats really the problem right now.
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