Lobster Hoop Nets DFG meeting

**Marcus** · Sep-17-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rivertake

Again I disagree,,,the lobsters are not "trapped". I have seen them get out of conicals on more than a few occasions. The "semi enclosed structure" as you call it is half open. They can and do climb out!

my argument is, was, and will continue to be that a conical is not a trap. Lobsters can and do get out! Prove otherwise and you win it is a trap. I can prove they get out! The whole basis for DFG making conicals illegal is that they are a trap.

I really hope promar has a representative at the meeting on Tuesday, preferably an attorney.

When you pull up a conical and the lobster flips it's tail to get out it will hit the inside of the trap, sorry eclipse net. It has no chance shooting out. They have a chance of getting out of a flat hoop. Given enough time they can crawl in or out but they have free passage in or out of a flat hoop net, not so much in the eclipse.

you're still ignoring the fact that regulations change to close loopholes, i.e. my examples above and new technology.

Thozguys · Sep-17-2009, 06:52 PM

So the DFG approves a design, then for some reason they decide that the design doesn't follow the spirit of their law, so they then decide to make a change that will impact normal law abiding people. Of course they will have to make up data or spin the data to reflect their new rules. What is the significance of the percieved 18% increase when the data depicted does not represent the location of take comparing both styles, the experience of the anglers performing the action while still comparing both styles, and the size of the catch comparing both styles. If this data exists, please present it, as anything less is heresay. Sounds like the DFG has been taking notes during the MPLA process on how to screw their supporters and paying customers...

**Smudge** · Sep-17-2009, 07:00 PM

You're missing the point. The DFG never approved the design. That design came out and became popular well after the law was written. The design took advantage of a loop hole in the way the law was written. The DFG is merely closing the loophole. What's so hard to understand about that??

**Marcus** · Sep-17-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Thozguys

So the DFG approves a design, then for some reason they decide that the design doesn't follow the spirit of their law, so they then decide to make a change that will impact normal law abiding people. Of course they will have to make up data or spin the data to reflect their new rules. What is the significance of the percieved 18% increase when the data depicted does not represent the location of take comparing both styles, the experience of the anglers performing the action while still comparing both styles, and the size of the catch comparing both styles. If this data exists, please present it, as anything less is heresay. Sounds like the DFG has been taking notes during the MPLA process on how to screw their supporters and paying customers...

Conicals have always been in contention as not following the spirit of the law.

From what I have heard initially they let them go because the law was not clear on if they were legal or not. They did some studies on it and found it may violate the spirit of the law and are going to possibly clear up the regs. The explosion of hoopnetters and new gear have had an impact on their decision.

If I take a speargun diving with me and do not use it for taking bugs or using the spear as a tickle stick then I am not violating the law but the DFG is clearing up the regs so that they can't be used that way. It sucks for me as a diver but I can understand as they want to make sure that they are making sure we are not abusing the resource so that more draconian measures don't need to be used down the road.

Lobstar · Sep-17-2009, 07:08 PM

I love it when people count stuff in the ocean... i mean really?? 1, 2, 3, 4,
There are cycles, they come and go, sardines, anchovies, any one remember when there were no sardines.? Ever hear of a 50 year cycle, global warming, global cooling, ice age, etc.......\ point being shit changes..... and i love the idea of counting fish in the ocean, what a bunchof bullshit.

I can tell you this, hotdogs cost more than lobster, as far as commercial goes:

Lobster Now Cheaper Than Hot Dogs? - on The Food Channel-

so for anyone to whine , they dont make money, get a clue, some balls, and a different job....

as far as flat vs eclipse?

I kill them either way, dont make a difference to me.....

As far as being regulated???

I say anarchy,. bring it on,, im tired of big brother anyways...
one day, they might push us all over the edge and what are they going to do, shoot us all????
thats if anyone still has a backbone to stand up and fight for whats truely
"our freedom"

fuk the gov

**Marcus** · Sep-17-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lobstar

I love it when people count stuff in the ocean... i mean really?? 1, 2, 3, 4,
There are cycles, they come and go, sardines, anchovies, any one remember when there were no sardines.? Ever hear of a 50 year cycle, global warming, global cooling, ice age, etc.......\ point being shit changes..... and i love the idea of counting fish in the ocean, what a bunchof bullshit.

I can tell you this, hotdogs cost more than lobster, as far as commercial goes:

Lobster Now Cheaper Than Hot Dogs? - on The Food Channel-

so for anyone to whine , they dont make money, get a clue, some balls, and a different job....

as far as flat vs eclipse?

I kill them either way, dont make a difference to me.....

As far as being regulated???

I say anarchy,. bring it on,, im tired of big brother anyways...
one day, they might push us all over the edge and what are they going to do, shoot us all????
thats if anyone still has a backbone to stand up and fight for whats truely
"our freedom"

fuk the gov

Maine lobster became so cheap because during the recession people were more worried about making their house payment and trying to feed their families than going to a restaurant and paying a lot for a lobster dinner.

Let's ignore regs, wipe out species and then wonder why down the road we have nothing to fish for.

Worked great for years, BSB, WSB, abalone, etc.

Personally I'm for regulation so my grandkids will have something to fish for down the road.

I'M OFF · Sep-17-2009, 07:21 PM

I feel like Charlie Brown right now........
AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gpomplin · Sep-17-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

Conicals were never approved by the DFG. The manufacturers found a loophole and expolited it. DFG is closing the loophole.

yes f&g did approve them they personally did a 3 year research on conicals they filmed them in use and did not approve them until they had on film that lobsters could crawl out of them and only then did they approve them having proved that they were not classified TRAPS. this was published right after they were made legal by f&g both in an article by Ed Zerlisky from F&G and it also was on the internet from F&G....

One_Leg · Sep-17-2009, 07:29 PM

I'd hate to have to settle for just being allowed to dive for them again.

I would however, dive for them just the same. Gotta get them bugs somehow.

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**Marcus** · Sep-17-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gpomplin

yes f&g did approve them they personally did a 3 year research on conicals they filmed them in use and did not approve them until they had on film that lobsters could crawl out of them and only then did they approve them having proved that they were not classified TRAPS. this was published right after they were made legal by f&g both in an article by Ed Zerlisky from F&G and it also was on the internet from F&G....

Gary, do you have a link? I'd actually like to read that one.

gpomplin · Sep-17-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

Gary, do you have a link? I'd actually like to read that one.

I just remember reading ED's article and the article from F&G thats why I bought my promars and have used both types and I can say for fact I have see lobsters jump right out the top of a pro mar with a flick of the tail on many occations...

gpomplin · Sep-17-2009, 08:02 PM

everyone be at the meeting 9-22-09 at shelter Island boat ramp area 7Pm IF YOU GIVE A FUCK STOP BITCHING ON HERE AND BE THERE AND VOICE YOUR BITCH TO THEM LET THEM KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL YOU CAN BET YOUR SWEET ASS I WILL BE THERE ITS ONE NIGHT OUT OF YOUR LIFE OR QUIT LOBSTERING......