Lobster Hoop Nets DFG meeting

[Sherm]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Dude, laws change to keep with technology all the time. There used to be no speed limits as cars were not able to go fast. Ingenuity created faster and better cars and laws followed to limit speed.

When you go to pull a flat hoopnet the lobsters have a chance to make a break for it and get out before you start pulling. In a conical they do not have that chance as they are "trapped" since it is in essence a semi-enclosed structure.

Live ducks used to be used for decoys and those were outlawed as they were too good.

Spinning wing decoys are outlawed at the beginning of waterfowl season because they are too good.

Ingenuity will continue to come up with ways to get around the spirit of the law and then laws and regulations will adjust.

That's the way it works.

That's why I still fish my old baja sabre rod and penn 505 reels. I keep waiting for the law makers to outlaw all that fancy fish catching stuff.

[Smudge]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Ingenuity will continue to come up with ways to get around the spirit of the law and then laws and regulations will adjust.

That's the way it works.

Gonna be a bummer when they outlaw motorized duck butts...

[One_Leg]

Originally Posted by jpfilippi

maybe someday there will be so many lobsters (and can't take them) that the fringe left enviromentalists will all celebrate a beach day and all go into the water at the same time, and they will all be eaten alive by 128 Billion lobsters.

I recall reading, or maybe hearing on TV, that when the pilgrims arrived on the North American continent there were so many lobsters that they used them as fertilizer. They were crawling all over the shore.

Will lobsters that feed on fringe leftist environazis end up tasting like shit?





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[rojodiablo]

Originally Posted by Sherm

That's why I still fish my old baja sabre rod and penn 505 reels. I keep waiting for the law makers to outlaw all that fancy fish catching stuff.

Damn, I am even older school than you; I have some regular 500 jigmasters that see regular service!!

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Smudge

Gonna be a bummer when they outlaw motorized duck butts...

Then only outlaws will use motorized duck butts.........

[tailsurfer]

Originally Posted by rivertake

"heresay" doesn't cut it.

To make a conical style hoop illegal based on an 18% supposed better catch ratio, is absurd! So someone makes a better fish trap, feather, jig or whatever. The DFG doesn't like how much more effective the new "mouse trap" is. They are "concerned" about the fishery and outlaw the new and better fish trap, feather, jig.

Again I say since when does American ingenuity and creativity deserve to be punished?

The argument is not wether flat or conical is better. DFG wants to outlaw conicals because they consider them to be a trap.


If I were the owner of promar, or Daniellson and had as much money invested in conical design,,,, I would have a damn good attorney making sure that the DFG does not just willy nilly decide that my product was a trap. I know for fact that lobsters can crawl in and out of conicals. Simple as that. They are not traps!!!

Agreed... again.
If anyone has ever dove for bugs they'd understand that lobsters don't just crawl. I have watched bugs and crabs move at night and day and they move totaly different from each other. Crabs crawl, slowly, but bugs can use their huge fins under their tail to nearly levitate and move around. Its almost like they are doing a moon-walk and if they really need to they can flap their huge tail and jet/swim away. I too have found that bugs, for this reason, can move freely in and out of both net styles. Also if a bug is bigger than 6 lbs. it will often not even fit completely in the opening of the eclipse style nets.

[Smudge]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Then only outlaws will use motorized duck butts.........

Sorta like:

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt...

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Smudge

Sorta like:

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt...

Yes, and by the way, I'm pretty sure proscript is without an "i"

Watch out for my trebuchet bitch........

Spiculum piscis piscis, ergo sum

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Sherm

That's why I still fish my old baja sabre rod and penn 505 reels. I keep waiting for the law makers to outlaw all that fancy fish catching stuff.

As another example, punt guns are no longer legal, I'm not allowed more than three shells in my shotgun, even though it holds more, when hunting waterfowl, etc.

[rojodiablo]

Originally Posted by tailsurfer

Agreed... again.
If anyone has ever dove for bugs they'd understand that lobsters don't just crawl. I have watched bugs and crabs move at night and day and they move totaly different from each other. Crabs crawl, slowly, but bugs can use their huge fins under their tail to nearly levitate and move around. Its almost like they are doing a moon-walk and if they really need to they can flap their huge tail and jet/swim away. I too have found that bugs, for this reason, can move freely in and out of both net styles. Also if a bug is bigger than 6 lbs. it will often not even fit completely in the opening of the eclipse style nets.

Ha! You've obviously never dove for dungeness or rock crabs. They run very fast, climb like aliens in the movie, and yes, they can get up in the water column and literally fly by using their paddles. You can't call a spider crab a crab; they are like a 6 legged slob underwater. And, the 18lb bug last year was caught in what kind of net??? Uhh huuhhhh......

[rivertake]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Dude, laws change to keep with technology all the time. There used to be no speed limits as cars were not able to go fast. Ingenuity created faster and better cars and laws followed to limit speed.

When you go to pull a flat hoopnet the lobsters have a chance to make a break for it and get out before you start pulling. In a conical they do not have that chance as they are "trapped" since it is in essence a semi-enclosed structure.

Live ducks used to be used for decoys and those were outlawed as they were too good.

Spinning wing decoys are outlawed at the beginning of waterfowl season because they are too good.

Ingenuity will continue to come up with ways to get around the spirit of the law and then laws and regulations will adjust.

That's the way it works.

Again I disagree,,,the lobsters are not "trapped". I have seen them get out of conicals on more than a few occasions. The "semi enclosed structure" as you call it is half open. They can and do climb out!

my argument is, was, and will continue to be that a conical is not a trap. Lobsters can and do get out! Prove otherwise and you win it is a trap. I can prove they get out! The whole basis for DFG making conicals illegal is that they are a trap.

I really hope promar has a representative at the meeting on Tuesday, preferably an attorney.

[sam1963]

Five years ago 99% of you were not out there and the regulations were appropriate for the amount of fishing pressure on the bugs.
The times are a changin.