Lobster Hoop Nets DFG meeting

tailsurfer · Sep-15-2009, 06:01 PM

I think one thing DFG can do is look into stopping the multi-day pass, but only for lobster. I have gone out with my dad with a multi day pass and once we get one day limits we have seen no reason to take an aditional 14. 7 per person, per trip is enough. THats my 2 cents on the multi-day passes.

South Bend · Sep-15-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tailsurfer

I think one thing DFG can do is look into stopping the multi-day pass, but only for lobster. I have gone out with my dad with a multi day pass and once we get one day limits we have seen no reason to take an aditional 14. 7 per person, per trip is enough. THats my 2 cents on the multi-day passes.

You go more then once a year for lobster......right? So why can't someone go two days in a row on a trip out to the island? Not to be a dick, but that's one of the worst ideas to come across this board in awhile.

BTW- Why only lobster and not fish???????

tailsurfer · Sep-15-2009, 08:52 PM

Last year I only got out twice. Its just that not many that use a multi-day are people that only go out once. I've seen some posts of guys out every 2 weeks getting 2-day limits for 4 people. 56 bugs is a lot. For one trip. WIth a rising number of hoopers we are going to have to give a little to still be able to take. I have a feeling if we fight this they are just going to start shutting us down along with the pending MLPAs. I am glad that for now they are not decreasing the take too.
Also, how many people do you know that use multi-day passes for fishing.
I don't want this to cause a rift between guys hooping with eclipses, reg. nets and divers. We need to stay as united as possibly for the time being.

rojodiablo · Sep-16-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tailsurfer

Last year I only got out twice. Its just that not many that use a multi-day are people that only go out once. I've seen some posts of guys out every 2 weeks getting 2-day limits for 4 people. 56 bugs is a lot. For one trip. WIth a rising number of hoopers we are going to have to give a little to still be able to take. I have a feeling if we fight this they are just going to start shutting us down along with the pending MLPAs. I am glad that for now they are not decreasing the take too.
Also, how many people do you know that use multi-day passes for fishing.
I don't want this to cause a rift between guys hooping with eclipses, reg. nets and divers. We need to stay as united as possibly for the time being.

A lot of guys use multi-day passes for boat trips to the island for the weekend. Hell, I wish there was a way to get a 2 day limit allotment for abalone, seeing as how I have to drive 600miles to grab 3 of the frickin' things!!???? Okay, that was the least exciting 10 minutes of my life; now, for the 12 hr drive home... It's one of those things that makes the means justifiable for the end result. It's not worth it for many to take their very limited financial resources and say "Go fishing for the entire weekend to SCI. Burn 90 gallons of fuel. (Or a LOT MORE...) and then, you get to keep 10 calicos. 10 rockfish. 7 bugs. Add it up, think about it. At some point, we all decide "This costs more than it's worth. Fuck it. I'll just buy the fish/ lobster from a commercial guy." There is a real cost associated with fishing, and we work hard to maximize the value of the trip. Yes, we have fun, and that can't have a value placed on it. But is it worth $200? $400? For a day's fun?? Or, do you just take the boat to the harbor, troll up a tramp, buy a lobster dinner, stick it to her and drop her off at the dock, you are out a total of $140 with drinks included?? Easy for you, you're not married.... Oh wait; you aren't even 21, so taking a broad out drinking in the harbor on your boat is not an option.

So long as multi day permits are set with sensible limits, as they are, there is no reason to discontinue them.

South Bend · Sep-16-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tailsurfer

Last year I only got out twice. Its just that not many that use a multi-day are people that only go out once. I've seen some posts of guys out every 2 weeks getting 2-day limits for 4 people. 56 bugs is a lot. For one trip. WIth a rising number of hoopers we are going to have to give a little to still be able to take. I have a feeling if we fight this they are just going to start shutting us down along with the pending MLPAs. I am glad that for now they are not decreasing the take too.

I guess I missed all those posts. Matter of fact, I can't remember even one post that had 4 guys on a two day permit with limits, let alone the same person posting every two weeks about getting 2-day limits for 4. I would love to read all those posts your talking about. I'm not saying it didn't happen,but what makes that any worst then someone going out local every few nights and grabbing a limit? Nothing. Show me some statistic that multi-day permits are hurting the lobster population. You can't. So why suggest we give up the opportunity to be able to go out for two days and bring home limits. Taking away a fishermen's rights based on no scientific statitics is exactly what the MLPA is doing.

Also, how many people do you know that use multi-day passes for fishing.
I don't want this to cause a rift between guys hooping with eclipses, reg. nets and divers. We need to stay as united as possibly for the time being.

I know plenty of guys that use multi-day permits for fishing. I for one, use them all the time when I go to the island for a couple of days to fish for c-bass.

tailsurfer · Sep-16-2009, 03:31 PM

I understand what you guys meen, but I feel like we are going to have to give up something this season and I just want to be able to at least go out and do some buggin. If worst comes to worst at least DFG isn't hammering bug diving, but after a month or so you often have to scuba for them anyway and that is when I hoop. so right now, crap I don't know where the hell this is going to go. See ya out there... or not.

Bigfish69 · Sep-16-2009, 05:33 PM

Who cares?

69R

South Bend · Sep-16-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigfish69

Who cares?

69R

Was that post just to fill your quota of at least "1 post per thread", that you and BuenoforTuna made with each other?

cksea · Sep-16-2009, 05:40 PM

Lets give up hoop nets, they are a hazard for navigation.

Bigfish69 · Sep-16-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by South Bend

Was that post just to fill your quota of at least "1 post per thread", that you and BuenoforTuna made with each other?

,,,thats funny! No actually i really mean it who cares. Not like anyone of us can change it anyway. We are at there mercy!

Just hearing about all the crazy rules and changes they want to make because of the new popularity of the sport just gets my blood boiling and i was having a good day till i started thinking about all the BS that they are thinking of to fuck a veteran like myself who has been fishing for Finfish, Groundfish, crustations and mollusks for more than 20 plus years and do so to provide for my family as well as for thrill of the sport. I have allways followed the rules and allways been very respectfull of the sport, so now because alot of people are doing it and getting better catches than normal i should also get it in the shorts? Thats fucked if you ask me.

The Lobster cards are the begining to the end,,,mark my words!

Lets all face it, if things continue at this pace in 10 more years no one will be allowed to fish our local waters at all.

So to answer your question, I do care but it doesn't do me any good to care anyway, so who cares.

As for Jesse, hes probably looking at gay porn and doesnt even know this thread exists.

On a side note I hope that things do chage but for the better......

69R

Afry · Sep-16-2009, 06:03 PM

Too late to make drastic changes in the rules - most shops probably ordered their hooping gear a month or two ago.

IF they ban the eclipse style nets I hope they allow one year for the local stores to sell there existing stock and users one year after that to change out to the flat style.

Removing the uprights of an eclipse net makes NO sense - the top ring is too small.

(allow sales of eclipse nets in CA through 2010 and allow there use untill the end of 2011)

That will minimize the financial impact at this late date.

South Bend · Sep-16-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Afry

Too late to make drastic changes in the rules - most shops probably ordered their hooping gear a month or two ago.

IF they ban the eclipse style nets I hope they allow one year for the local stores to sell there existing stock and users one year after that to change out to the flat style.

Removing the uprights of an eclipse net makes NO sense - the top ring is too small.

(allow sales of eclipse nets in CA through 2010 and allow there use untill the end of 2011)

That will minimize the financial impact at this late date.

Your right. I was at a tackle store in south OC the other day and started talking to the owner. He had not heard of anything about a possible ban on any type of gear and was expecting a big shipment of hoopnets shortly. These tackle stores are having a rough time as it is in this economy, without imposing some last minute regulation that leaves them with a bunch of useless inventory.