Lobster Hoop Nets DFG meeting

[desert_s10]

My 2 cents
Trap or no trap, if the current bag/possession limit is not capable of maintaining a sustainable fishery, the limit should be changed; NOT the method of collection. Use all that data collected to determine if we are doing more harm than good by harvesting(as a collective group, commercial and recreational) excessively. This is difficult to judge as others have said because things are always changing, populations go up and down all the time depending on their environment. It is not an exact science. I feel better enforcement of current regulations is needed to curb illegal activity, not additional laws that ultimately only affects law abiding citizens.

[rivertake]

Originally Posted by desert_s10

My 2 cents
Trap or no trap, if the current bag/possession limit is not capable of maintaining a sustainable fishery, the limit should be changed; NOT the method of collection. Use all that data collected to determine if we are doing more harm than good by harvesting(as a collective group, commercial and recreational) excessively. This is difficult to judge as others have said because things are always changing, populations go up and down all the time depending on their environment. It is not an exact science. I feel better enforcement of current regulations is needed to curb illegal activity, not additional laws that ultimately only affects law abiding citizens.

Now that is logical thinking. Curb the quota.... huh would that work?

I will catch the same amount of lobster, conical or flat. Maybe it will take longer maybe it won't. I have not done the methodical testing to determine time frame.

Bigger and Bigger government making more and more rules. History has proven that governments get more and more control of the people and adjustments are made to correct the tyranical aspect that always follows. Sooner or later there is a point in time when people get fed up and do something about it.

Drink the kool aid,,, it tastes great right? Who cares if your insides are being eroded.

Government always knows best, they have our best interest in mind. They know better than you and I what we need and what is best for us. We can just trust them. They are smarter than you and I right?

DFG would not possibly skew or manipulate data and methods of determining the effectiveness of conicals or flats.

It seems like a good idea when you are a lemming to run off the edge with all your buddies. Hell the ride down will be sooooo much fun!

MLPA's we can trust them with this. All the data that has been collected is true and accurate. No one has any bias to manipulate the process.

[Bigfish69]

Originally Posted by rivertake

Now that is logical thinking. Curb the quota.... huh would that work?

I will catch the same amount of lobster, conical or flat. Maybe it will take longer maybe it won't. I have not done the methodical testing to determine time frame.

Bigger and Bigger government making more and more rules. History has proven that governments get more and more control of the people and adjustments are made to correct the tyranical aspect that always follows. Sooner or later there is a point in time when people get fed up and do something about it.

Drink the kool aid,,, it tastes great right? Who cares if your insides are being eroded.

Government always knows best, they have our best interest in mind. They know better than you and I what we need and what is best for us. We can just trust them. They are smarter than you and I right?

DFG would not possibly skew or manipulate data and methods of determining the effectiveness of conicals or flats.

It seems like a good idea when you are a lemming to run off the edge with all your buddies. Hell the ride down will be sooooo much fun!

MLPA's we can trust them with this. All the data that has been collected is true and accurate. No one has any bias to manipulate the process.

WTF? Dave did you start drinking again?

69R

[Bigfish69]

Dave this ones for you, heres a 8 pounder climbing out of a 5 gallon bucket. It can happen!

69R

[tuna taxi]

Originally Posted by Bigfish69

Dave this ones for you, heres a 8 pounder climbing out of a 5 gallon bucket. It can happen!

69R

Looks to me like he's taking a sh*t

[Bigfish69]

Hey george,,,you got it!!!!

Are you buggin this season?

Lets do this thang!

69R

[desert_s10]

Originally Posted by rivertake

Now that is logical thinking. Curb the quota.... huh would that work?

I will catch the same amount of lobster, conical or flat. Maybe it will take longer maybe it won't. I have not done the methodical testing to determine time frame.

Bigger and Bigger government making more and more rules. History has proven that governments get more and more control of the people and adjustments are made to correct the tyranical aspect that always follows. Sooner or later there is a point in time when people get fed up and do something about it.

Drink the kool aid,,, it tastes great right? Who cares if your insides are being eroded.

Government always knows best, they have our best interest in mind. They know better than you and I what we need and what is best for us. We can just trust them. They are smarter than you and I right?

DFG would not possibly skew or manipulate data and methods of determining the effectiveness of conicals or flats.

It seems like a good idea when you are a lemming to run off the edge with all your buddies. Hell the ride down will be sooooo much fun!

MLPA's we can trust them with this. All the data that has been collected is true and accurate. No one has any bias to manipulate the process.

My thick skull doesn't translate any potential sarcasm on the web very well, but for the most part I "think" I agree with what you have said about big government but that is a whole spin off in itself....related....Yes....but not my focus at this time. MLPA's are the end all be all. We are up against some stiff opposition that has the potential to skew data in one direction or another. True, but can we agree that management is necessary and revisions should be made based one actual data collected one way or another? If so, what would be an acceptable manner to collect that data in your eyes?

" Curb the quota.... huh would that work?" I'm assuming you asked how that would work. Well what is our goal? Is it to keep people from taking more than the fishery can sustain based on ....what,"actual data"?

PS: I don't care for kool aid but take a sip every now and then to remind me why.

[lobzila]

Originally Posted by Bigfish69

Dave this ones for you, heres a 8 pounder climbing out of a 5 gallon bucket. It can happen!

69R

My old college Marine Biology professor told me a long time ago, that the top ten precent (size wise) lobsters both male and female, are responsible for 90% of the next years spawn. He is one of the most knowledgealble watermen I ever met. He got his doctorate degree by studying the Kelp forest eco system.
Yet very few would on here would let a bug like that go. I have taken large lobsters in the past, but not since my college days. Over five pounds and I let them go. I just wish people would treat them like large Calicos, growth and reproduction rate is about the same. Bring them back to the boat all you want and take there picture but please let them go!
Slot limits would help more then gear restrictions, but the gear definately needs to be clarified.
Think of the conical nets as a road with a guard rail, sure if the contions are right, you are going right through it, but mostly you will bounce back on to the road when you hit one. Just my opinion.

[tuna taxi]

Originally Posted by Bigfish69

Hey george,,,you got it!!!!

Are you buggin this season?

Lets do this thang!

69R

YES, SIR.....I AM!!!! I'm getting ready to pull all my gear out of hibernation very, very soon.

[plj46]

Originally Posted by lobzila

My old college Marine Biology professor told me a long time ago, that the top ten precent (size wise) lobsters both male and female, are responsible for 90% of the next years spawn. He is one of the most knowledgealble watermen I ever met. He got his doctorate degree by studying the Kelp forest eco system.
Yet very few would on here would let a bug like that go. I have taken large lobsters in the past, but not since my college days. Over five pounds and I let them go. I just wish people would treat them like large Calicos, growth and reproduction rate is about the same. Bring them back to the boat all you want and take there picture but please let them go!
Slot limits would help more then gear restrictions, but the gear definately needs to be clarified.
Think of the conical nets as a road with a guard rail, sure if the contions are right, you are going right through it, but mostly you will bounce back on to the road when you hit one. Just my opinion.

i agree totally with these comments ,slot limits yes,maybe a reduction in the limit to 5,and the conical is like a guard rail,we also let the larger models go they taste like shit anyway

[plj46]

Originally Posted by sam1963

I'd like to see all you hoopers pushed out to sixty feet deep .
your not safe for divers.
Good luck on the opener.

well maybe you should not dive where people are legally fishing,i have had plenty of divers get in on top of my gear after i set up thats their problem if they get hurt,i dont fish the jetties anymore because of the lack of respect toward others from divers and hoopers

[sam1963]

Originally Posted by ISLAND BOUND

How about we stay inside 100 feet and YOU stay outside of 100 feet

Your still new