Death by internet, make it a double.

[johnnylite]

Originally Posted by @-EZ

Gentlemen, Please stay focused. This is a great thread that doesn't need to get side tracked.

Thank you. That is all

You are right. There was some intelligent stuff going on here.

[Fresh One]

Originally Posted by FishStalker

I'd suggest that humans are ill equipped to make sound decisions when it comes to managing ecosystem as the last century has more than demonstrated.



Funny, animals and mother nature seem to have done quite well on their own for more than 4 BILLION years here on earth but apparently now all is lost unless people step in and 'manage' things?



It really sounds stupid when you say it out loud....

While I don't entirely disagree with the concept, using Yellowstone as a case study is one data point. The entire theory he is pushing is that things are complex. That means that several data points are needed before a sane conclusion can be reached. I'm sure there are plenty of other "failures" out there when it comes to man managing resources. I happen to think there are some success stories as well.

I don't disagree with you that the human race is notorious for fucking things up. What we disagree on is the fact that past transgressions should somehow imply a hands-off approach going forward. We should try to learn from past mistakes and make educated decisions based on science and research versus emotion and 20/20 vision acquired while staring at past train wrecks.

As Smudge said, the human race is just continuing to grow. Land that was once habitiat is being developed, pollution, etc.. It goes on and on. A healthy dose of balance is required IMO. That means we as humans need to be cognizant of our actions and at the same time, we need to do our best to balance the needs of other species in light of our actions.

I agree with you that humans can fuck things up. Reality is, we aren't going away. That said, allowing the human race to encroach on every other species while doing nothing as far as management of those species (or attempts at management) to ensure their long term survivial seems to me to be even more selfish than the rampant encroachment itself.

As with most things in life, the truth is always someplace in the middle. I heard a good one the other day, "even the thinnest pancake has two sides".

[Special Ed]

The bumper sticker on the back of my head as I'm reading this thread says, " I'd rather be jacking off"

[johnnylite]

Originally Posted by Special Ed

The bumper sticker on the back of my head as I'm reading this thread says, " I'd rather be jacking off"

Now you're talkin.

[FishStalker]

Originally Posted by Fresh One

The entire theory he is pushing is that things are complex. That means that several data points are needed before a sane conclusion can be reached.

In fact, he's arguing that humans continue to try and apply linear concepts to complex systems. It's the law of unintended consequences.

I won't argue that we aren't going to have to attempt some kind of ecological management for the reasons that you and Matt give but I'd argue that most of the simplistic arguments for killing predators espoused so far are just more of the same linear thinking that hasn't worked in the past. It's obviously time for a different approach.

[Kareem Korn]

Originally Posted by Deno

You must not have kids, Locobro can kiss my ass. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

I do have two boy's 13yo and 7yo, and I think that managing any of the animals mentioned in this thread is easier than keeping my two son's in check.


-Tim-

[SNEEKEE]

Originally Posted by Az.monkey

What's your flavor Sneeks ? I'm a Cope guy myself, snuff and not the other bullshit like long cut or black

snuff but mostly long cut I dont like that flaverd shit snuff just go's all over my mouth and dosent stay packed

[Az.monkey]

Originally Posted by SNEEKEE

snuff but mostly long cut I dont like that flaverd shit snuff just go's all over my mouth and dosent stay packed

Snuff is the only way to fly,The Black ( Jack Daniels flavored ) tastes like ass and the new cherry type of flavor is the same..... origional snuff is where it's at, unless you bust a plug of Levi Garret or some Apple Jack

[Fresh One]

Originally Posted by Az.monkey

Snuff is the only way to fly,The Black ( Jack Daniels flavored ) tastes like ass and the new cherry type of flavor is the same..... origional snuff is where it's at, unless you bust a plug of Levi Garret or some Apple Jack

I prefer berry or mint flavored Skoal. Yes, I know that makes me a homo. I like Gummi Bears and Skittles as well

[speedgoat]

I've tried them all: snuff, longcut, leaf, plug, etc.

Kodiak has the most nicotine in it of all of them and gives me the best "pop. It juices well too but it pretty much tastes like ass. Cope gives me cottonmouth so I can't spit. I also don't prefer the grainy texture.

I have a Skoal longcut fatty in at the moment.


What were we talking about?

[SNEEKEE]

Originally Posted by speedgoat

I've tried them all: snuff, longcut, leaf, plug, etc.

Kodiak has the most nicotine in it of all of them and gives me the best "pop. It juices well too but it pretty much tastes like ass. Cope gives me cottonmouth so I can't spit. I also don't prefer the grainy texture.

I have a Skoal longcut fatty in at the moment.


What were we talking about?

I chew alot of redman

[Az.monkey]

Originally Posted by speedgoat

I've tried them all: snuff, longcut, leaf, plug, etc.

Kodiak has the most nicotine in it of all of them and gives me the best "pop. It juices well too but it pretty much tastes like ass. Cope gives me cottonmouth so I can't spit. I also don't prefer the grainy texture.

I have a Skoal longcut fatty in at the moment.


What were we talking about?

I think somebody said something about hunting, but you wouldn't know anything about that