Death by internet, make it a double.

[Kurt]

You wanna know what pisses me off? Sitting in a restaurant next to people who order 200 bucks worth of chicken, burgers and steak and then walk out without finishing it or taking it home. That's a lot of God's creatures that died for nothing.

Or does that not count because you are not the one holding the gun?


I don't agree with a lot of what other people do but I'm not gonna start yelling at someone for leaving a half eaten burger. Same with their kill, did they break a law? No? Well, there you go. A lot of that goes with growing up and it cannot be forced.

Where do people draw the line? Is the baitfish a lesser animal than the fish they catch? Does it make a difference because they are cute and fuzzy?

[reelbadlarry]

Wow, talk about a slippery slope. Can you post a list of what animals are ok to just kill, and what ones require respect/burial? How do farm rasised food animals fit into this? It is just a bad precedent to set, ie the mountain lion ban in CA. Once we get into the whole Anthropomorphism thing we are done as hunters/fishermen. Merry Christmas everyone, oh and we wont be eating Ham this year, as we watched Babe the talking pig, and now the kids are freaked.

[FishStalker]

I hate to weigh in on this but....

When I was a kid, me and my pellet gun killed an awful lot of birds. I equate this to the varmint hunters--killing for killing's sake.

Fast forward 20+ years and I now have 2 parrots as pets. I couldn't imagine going out and shooting birds for fun just to 'kill sumthin'. Killing to eat? That's different. It's about survival, to some degree. I may not kill the chickens I eat but I would if I had to. I think that some of the people that go out and kill shit just to watch it die are either mentally disturbed or never 'growed up'. I know that I've long since moved past that.

Seeing people go out in the hills and kill hundreds or thousands of squirrels, birds or other critters just to watch their bodies explode is no different than the boats that go out and plug the trashcans with barracuda. You and I know that most of those fish are gonna end up in a trashcan--it's just a waste. And there's plenty of fisherman on this site who've decried THAT practice.

[johnnylite]

I think everyone has a valid point. I still think sneekee is a hoax.
I think jeph said it best. Could have saved the homo comment though.
I don't attach intelligence to animals or feelings. I do think the fact that some of them are predators specifically those out in the wild not predating on livestock shouldn't be hunted. I know that probably makes me gay and a trehugger,etc. but that's my opinion. Jeph said it best and without all the crap of I'm smarter than you.

Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. That's mine.

[WarpDrive]

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I guess he never met Flipper......
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[Babu]

Originally Posted by locobro

I respect the sportsmanship and skill and discipline of hunting and hunters, I am one. Someone who takes an animals life for food or pelt in true sport.

You fucksticks who think it's cool to kill animals and let them rot can suck my dick. Your lame ass accounts about raccoons and badgers and coyotes that attack indiscriminately are a fucking joke.

I have assumed the crab position and am ready, bring it.

This shit wouldn't fly on the fishing board. If you were to say all sharks and mola should be killed and thrown in a trash can because of all the damage they cause it would be the same fucking thing, give me a fucking break. I've listened to it all week and am done with it.

I'm calling you out, which one of you pussies is gonna tell me killing just to kill makes you a hunter. Fuck you.

Arrogant Bastards are chilled, the workweek is done and I got nothing better to do tonight .

Fuckin Chuck Connors

[the hook]

Originally Posted by locobro

"Started to go home and a racoon walked in front of me so I mite as well kill some thing.I gave him a warning shot for shit's and gigle's.The fucker sat down so he died I had about a mile an half to go.I ended up killing 5 more coon's on the way home I just piled them up for other critter's to eat"

This is the shit I'm talking about.

Remember, Locobro, this is SNEEKEE typing the objectionable message. SNEEKEE is a fabrication, Afaik

HJ

[SNEEKEE]

Originally Posted by locobro

"Started to go home and a racoon walked in front of me so I mite as well kill some thing.I gave him a warning shot for shit's and gigle's.The fucker sat down so he died I had about a mile an half to go.I ended up killing 5 more coon's on the way home I just piled them up for other critter's to eat"

This is the shit I'm talking about.

Hey fucker the fucking coon's get in to my grain they kill alot of the fucking qail around here.The fucking coon are over populaitted so its fucking management and you would no this if you were a hunter.Now I think you should go play hide and FUCK YOUR SELF!!!

[SNEEKEE]

Originally Posted by jephs422

Wow, interesting topic...

First, dead is dead. There is no such thing as dead......but it was eaten, or dead.....but I made a hat out of it. Just plain dead.

Now, before anyone continues their rant about "senseless" killing, let me give you my point of view (I can't speak for anyone else)

There is no such thing as a "smart" or "dumb" animal. Simply put, our ideal of intelligence has no place in the animal kingdom. Now, certain animals are blessed with more God given survival instincts than others; but again, that has nothing to do with intelligence.

So why do I hunt varmints and predators? Well....none of your fucking business. However, I'll humor you.

I'll challenge anyone here that dares to say hunting predators/varmints is not sporting to join me in the field and see what it's really about. I'm not talking about being out deer hunting and seeing a dog and taking a shot of opportunity, or walking home and seeing a couple of coons and taking the shot. I'm talking about getting out in the field, grabbing a hand call, and triggering the feeding instinct of the nearest predator by convincing it that you are something that needs to be investigated/eaten/mated with/challenged. All while fooling the animal who's sense of smell is 10x that of any deer. No need for cover scent, hell I smoke on stands; once a coyote is down wind, your done, they can't be fooled.

Not challenging? I guess using over 15 different calls depending upon the time of year it is, or where they are at in their denning/mating cycle is all for nothing then.

Oh, and no, I don't eat them all.....sorry. The areas I hunt I am thanked by small game and bird hunters. Where I hunt I am saving the lives of hundreds of sheep, goats, cattle, and foals every year and am given thank you gifts by the ranchers who allow me access to their properties. Heck, 2 years ago I had one ranch lose 168 goats out of 240 in less than a year. last year and this year he lost only 6. I like to think that ranchers not upset because I didn't eat those coyotes or Bobcats.

Now, do I respect them as a game animal? Yes and no. When I am hunting them recreationaly, I sure do. I don't hunt them from Feb-Sept to give the pups a chance to grow and begin eating on their own. I don't hunt during mating season so I don't shoot any pregnant bitches. Hell, even during bobcat season I wait until our days are shorter and the areas I call are colder so I don't waste a tag on an unfurred bobcat. Yes, I save all my pelts, and yes, I save almost all my coyote pelts. Don't believe me? Ask my wife and she'll tell you that the pile of tanned furs in the closet is getting a bit out control. So if anyone needs a bobcat or coyote pelt, let me know, I can hook a brutha up.

Of course, in the spring when the young cattle begin hitting the ground and I get the calls form the ranchers, you bet your sweet ass I don't respect them. I hunt them hard, I hunt them to rid the ranch entirely if possible.

Coyotes can't and never will be extinct short of shooting them out of helicopters by the hundreds. Racoons are second only to feral cats on ground nesting bird predation, bobcats routinely take sheep, goats, and even deer when given a chance, and badgers......well, let me tell you, I care for my furs and trophis better than I care fo my clothes; so don't lose any sleep over wondering if it was laid to rot; it wasn't. And when it's back from the taxidermist I'll post photos of it so you can see just how much I truly respect what I kill.


Oh.....and you're gay

Fuck ya

[SNEEKEE]

Originally Posted by locobro

Jeph,
Thats just it man, I know you respect the animals. You have to, just fuckin show it man. A badger is a bad ass animal. If anybody thinks it isn't, just spend about 30 seconds in a hall closet with one. A thirty pound animal will kick your 200lb ass. We are on the same side, just respect them, it smells bad when you don't. Peace.

I lost one fucking show steer's last year because of fucking badger's and there big fucking hole my steer steped in it hole and broke it's leg there's a good fucking reason to kill badger's

[SNEEKEE]

Oh ya every thing I kill Im going eat or I have a reason

[TROB]

Originally Posted by SNEEKEE

Hey fucker the fucking coon's get in to my grain they kill alot of the fucking qail around here.The fucking coon are over populaitted so its fucking management and you would no this if you were a hunter.Now I think you should go play hide and FUCK YOUR SELF!!!

uh oh we have a kid that weighs a buck 20 acting like a badass again......stay inside and lock your doors. sneekee's juvenile response in 3....2....1...

too the original poster, i get what youre saying about the kiling for shits and giggles. i shot a lot of rockchucks this summer for a reason, but havent killed a "common bird with a pellet gun" since i was 10 or so. i understand what youre sayin. and certain things bug me too.