Death by internet, make it a double.

[locobro]

Good thread, fo sho.

I don’t think the idea of animal management is wrong, I don’t think hunting is wrong and I don’t think hunters should have to defend why they enjoy hunting or even what they hunt. If I were asked why I hunt/fish I’d like to think I could come up with an answer that showed some respect for the big picture. A genuine “I just love being out there” is good enough for me.

“Animal Management” is not what I have a problem with, I agree in some cases it’s been a total failure and in others it’s been a success. Managing nature is a toughie, most of the time if we didn’t mess it up in the first place it would manage itself.

My original post although both subtle and neutrally worded was directed at people who think it’s cool to kill animals and let them rot. It also respectfully referred to killing animals under the guise of them being dangerous and attacking people without provocation.

What I was talking about was not showing respect for the animals taken and hiding behind some altruistic ideal of how you are really motivated by helping the economy and or protecting society from danger.

Two statements; which do you relate to more after a kill?
“Wow, that is a beautiful animal!” or….. “Kill that mangy piece of shit!”

[jephs422]

Originally Posted by locobro

“Wow, that is a beautiful animal!”

Every time.....without fail.


Like I said, there is no other game animal I respect more. That's why I hunt them. And no manner of discussion is going to sway either sides thinking. The bottom line is there are those that understand, and those that don't. I bear no grudge against those that do not see why I hunt them, I only ask you respect what I do and not harass me for it.

[Special Ed]

Originally Posted by Az.monkey

Snuff is the only way to fly,The Black ( Jack Daniels flavored ) tastes like ass and the new cherry type of flavor is the same..... origional snuff is where it's at, unless you bust a plug of Levi Garret or some Apple Jack

Fuck, Levi is the shit. If I start pluggin' again I'm tellin the wife it's your fault Karl.

Back to the topic:

I don't hunt for sport, I don't hunt for food (I can buy what I need to eat), but I do terminate pests that threaten my home or livelyhood. I also don't condone killing just for the sake of seeing something die. Mark had a point, and it got lost somewhere between wadded panties and sandy vaginas.

As for fishing... I'm just plain comical on the water. I'm like bleach in your bait tank..... sure to kill your bait, and keep your fish hold clean.

[Richard Cranium]

SNEEKEE-

Background Information

Wolves are native to Oregon. Some early European-American explorers of Oregon reported them to be numerous. In about 1855, expedition naturalist George Suckley noted that “wolves are exceedingly numerous in Oregon and Washington Territories, from the Cascades to the Rocky Mountain divide.”

Early Oregonians were heavily involved in farming and livestock and concerned about livestock losses due to wolf depredation. These settlers convened “wolf meetings” to discuss the problem and the first Oregon bounty on wolves was established in March 1843. In 1913, the Oregon State Game Commission was paying $20 wolf bounty in addition to the $5 paid by the State of Oregon.

The last wolf bounty was paid in 1946 and wolves were considered extirpated in Oregon. Between 1974-1980, there were four recorded sightings of wolves in Oregon nevertheless.
Gray wolves came under the protection of the federal Endangered Species Act (ESA) in 1974 and were grandfathered into Oregon’s ESA when the state adopted its own law in 1987.

Wolves: a conservation success story in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWs) reintroduced wolves into Yellowstone National Park and surrounding areas in the late 1990s and their population has since rebounded. To reflect the success of wolf recovery, on Jan. 29, 2007 USFWS announced plans to delist the Northern Rocky Mountain population of wolves. The area identified includes all of Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, the eastern one-third of Washington and Oregon, and a small part of north-central Utah. More infomation

Wolves in Oregon

Wolves were not manually re-introduced into Oregon as they were into other recovery area states like Idaho. Rather, wolves are expected to naturally disperse over the state line from Idaho into Oregon. Wolves that enter the state will be protected by both the federal and state Endangered Species Act and managed under ODFW’s Wolf Plan.

There were several documented cases of wolves entering Oregon from Idaho in the late 1990s. In February 1999, a radio-collared gray wolf from Idaho entered Oregon. The female wolf, identified by USFWS as B-45, was eventually captured in March 1999 by a helicopter net gun crew near the Middle Fork John Day River and returned to Idaho. In May 2000 a collared wolf was struck by a vehicle on Interstate 84 south of Baker City, and in October 2000 an uncollared wolf was found shot between Ukiah and Pendleton.

Wolf management in Oregon

The 1999 event of wolf “B-45” entering Oregon heightened public interest and concern among residents of northeast Oregon and members of the livestock industry. To facilitate the growing interest and concern for wolves in Oregon, the Wolf Information Group was formed by the USFWS with representatives from many stakeholder groups. Members represented included the Oregon Cattlemen Association, Oregon Woolgrowers, Oregon Hunter Association, Foundation of North American Wild Sheep, Defenders of Wildlife, Hells Canyon Preservation Council, Wolf Haven, Umatilla Tribe, Nez Perce Tribe, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, Oregon Department of Agriculture, U.S. Department of Agriculture Wildlife Services, U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, and county commissioners.

In 2002, the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission held a series of workshops and then initiated a public process to prepare for the arrival of wolves. In March 2003, the commission initiated a process to develop an Oregon statewide management plan. The Wolf Advisory Group, including its various stakeholders, was involved in the process. Their work eventually led to the Oregon Wolf Conservation and Management Plan which was adopted by the commission in December 2005.

The goal of Oregon’s wolf plan is to ensure wolves’ long-term survival and conservation in Oregon while minimizing conflicts with humans, primary land uses and other Oregon wildlife.

[SNEEKEE]

Originally Posted by foxhole

SNEEKEE- give the wolf story up bro.... Your legend is not that great.... Your spelling and grammer is still something that needs to be looked at... You still have no chance at getting into a school with your past bullshit.... Wolves are very rare and if you have seen one then get some glasses..... it was a Yote bro...look at the read below.... errrrr .... try to read it ........




Background Information

Wolves are native to Oregon. Some early European-American explorers of Oregon reported them to be numerous. In about 1855, expedition naturalist George Suckley noted that “wolves are exceedingly numerous in Oregon and Washington Territories, from the Cascades to the Rocky Mountain divide.”

Early Oregonians were heavily involved in farming and livestock and concerned about livestock losses due to wolf depredation. These settlers convened “wolf meetings” to discuss the problem and the first Oregon bounty on wolves was established in March 1843. In 1913, the Oregon State Game Commission was paying $20 wolf bounty in addition to the $5 paid by the State of Oregon.

The last wolf bounty was paid in 1946 and wolves were considered extirpated in Oregon. Between 1974-1980, there were four recorded sightings of wolves in Oregon nevertheless.
Gray wolves came under the protection of the federal Endangered Species Act (ESA) in 1974 and were grandfathered into Oregon’s ESA when the state adopted its own law in 1987.

Wolves: a conservation success story in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWs) reintroduced wolves into Yellowstone National Park and surrounding areas in the late 1990s and their population has since rebounded. To reflect the success of wolf recovery, on Jan. 29, 2007 USFWS announced plans to delist the Northern Rocky Mountain population of wolves. The area identified includes all of Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, the eastern one-third of Washington and Oregon, and a small part of north-central Utah. More infomation

Wolves in Oregon

Wolves were not manually re-introduced into Oregon as they were into other recovery area states like Idaho. Rather, wolves are expected to naturally disperse over the state line from Idaho into Oregon. Wolves that enter the state will be protected by both the federal and state Endangered Species Act and managed under ODFW’s Wolf Plan.

There were several documented cases of wolves entering Oregon from Idaho in the late 1990s. In February 1999, a radio-collared gray wolf from Idaho entered Oregon. The female wolf, identified by USFWS as B-45, was eventually captured in March 1999 by a helicopter net gun crew near the Middle Fork John Day River and returned to Idaho. In May 2000 a collared wolf was struck by a vehicle on Interstate 84 south of Baker City, and in October 2000 an uncollared wolf was found shot between Ukiah and Pendleton.

Wolf management in Oregon

The 1999 event of wolf “B-45” entering Oregon heightened public interest and concern among residents of northeast Oregon and members of the livestock industry. To facilitate the growing interest and concern for wolves in Oregon, the Wolf Information Group was formed by the USFWS with representatives from many stakeholder groups. Members represented included the Oregon Cattlemen Association, Oregon Woolgrowers, Oregon Hunter Association, Foundation of North American Wild Sheep, Defenders of Wildlife, Hells Canyon Preservation Council, Wolf Haven, Umatilla Tribe, Nez Perce Tribe, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, Oregon Department of Agriculture, U.S. Department of Agriculture Wildlife Services, U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, and county commissioners.

In 2002, the Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission held a series of workshops and then initiated a public process to prepare for the arrival of wolves. In March 2003, the commission initiated a process to develop an Oregon statewide management plan. The Wolf Advisory Group, including its various stakeholders, was involved in the process. Their work eventually led to the Oregon Wolf Conservation and Management Plan which was adopted by the commission in December 2005.

The goal of Oregon’s wolf plan is to ensure wolves’ long-term survival and conservation in Oregon while minimizing conflicts with humans, primary land uses and other Oregon wildlife.



Sneekee you must have mistaken the wolf for a commen YOTE .... you did not pull the trigger on it... Your slippen you little bitch... pull that fucking trigger you dumb fuck...

Hey fucker I never said I pulled a trigger on a wolf and ashole Im in school 2 week's ago a wolf pack made it to burn's and I talked to the local wild life bioligest to find that out

[Smudge]

Originally Posted by foxhole

Sneekee you must have mistaken the wolf for a commen YOTE .... you did not pull the trigger on it... Your slippen you little bitch... pull that fucking trigger you dumb fuck...

Great job taking yourself down a notch or two... Tool...

[el Toro]

Killing things for a reason is OK. Mankind has done it since our existence. It doesn't always have to be for food. The reasons can be many from wildlife management to livestock protection, to fur bounties. Of course, this is combined with the sport of outwitting a wary adversary. It's a real life chess game that stems from respect for the animal, at least it should be. I'm not going to launch into some diatribe. Killing for the sake of just simply seeing something die, and finding enjoyment in that alone, is awful. If someone found enjoyment purely in killing alone they'd be climbing the gates at the zoo, or maybe seeking employment at the local slaughterhouse. But that is cleary not what is happening in the posts I've seen here. So what's your argument?

[Albacrazy]

Originally Posted by el Toro

Killing things for a reason is OK. Mankind has done it since our existence. It doesn't always have to be for food. The reasons can be many from wildlife management to livestock protection, to fur bounties. Of course, this is combined with the sport of outwitting a wary adversary. It's a real life chess game that stems from respect for the animal, at least it should be. I'm not going to launch into some diatribe. Killing for the sake of just simply seeing something die, and finding enjoyment in that alone, is awful. If someone found enjoyment purely in killing alone they'd be climbing the gates at the zoo, or maybe seeking employment at the local slaughterhouse. But that is cleary not what is happening in the posts I've seen here. So what's your argument?

Well said!

[Kurt]

[quote=locobro;854587]
It also respectfully referred to killing animals under the guise of them being dangerous and attacking people without provocation.

quote]

WHAT? YOU obviously never saw this then
YouTube - Holy Grail - Killer Bunny

[peto]

There is a diference in the subject when talking about killing in hunting and fishing. In hunting, the animal ends up dead. In fishing, if the fish survives, you have the option of a release. So, do you need a reason to kill, besides the sport of it? I think no one needs a reason to go and hunt an elk, deer, goose, duck, racoon, scuerl, whatever exept for the satisfaction. I believe its a matter of doing responsably to yourself, others and the enviroment. Same with fishing exept you don't have to harvest every single fish caught.

[locobro]

[QUOTE=el Toro;854820] Of course, this is combined with the sport of outwitting a wary adversary. It's a real life chess game that stems from respect for the animal, at least it should be.QUOTE]

Right the fuck on man. Nate, I've got no argument with that, never did. I couldn't agree more.

I have a dislike of killing for anything less than that. Thats my opinion. Thats where it gets touchy.

You said killing an animal for a reason is ok.

What animal sits outside the scope of "reason" though? My reasons for killing something may be different than yours. Your reasons for killing something may differ from somebody elses.

I'd guess collectively we could provide a reason to kill all predators, all vermin and everything else in between. If all it takes is a reason, there are plenty.

What inspired me to post in the first place was listening to some of the reasons. Arguing the reasons themselves seems futile. There is no shortage of opinions and facts and studies and myths and metric tons of bullshit in between.

You know what I'm talking about, we all know what I'm talking about. Sometimes the reasons just smell bad.

[locobro]

Kurt, I grew up in Texas...we had bunnies like that, but they were bigger

I watched one take out an entire family just outside of Kerrville once, I can't talk about it.