jmo on baiting

madbuck22 · Sep-14-2009, 07:28 PM

This is just my opinion don't get bent out of shape. would like to hear some others i'll keep it short and simple. corn and hay if not feed the right amount per deer in which is not possible in the mountains will cause rumen problems, bloating and possible death. not a good thing jmo. salt imo is fine just like all hoved animals they don't get all the minerals from the feed they eat. Depending on the habitat which can only safely support a certain number of animals deer in this case before starvation, disese ect... i think mineral suppliments are a good thing for these deer. i think the food here does'nt carry all he minerals they need to be at thier tip top shape. also deer like my cows ect....." don't go to a lick like they would food!!!" hay ,corn ect which is bad when put in piles. so i said i'd keep it short. i really don't think baiting is good, but i'm only speaking for myself. jmo what's yours?

gpomplin · Sep-14-2009, 07:51 PM

plain and simple if it was good maybe it would be legal but it's not...

gatorfan · Sep-14-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gpomplin

plain and simple if it was good maybe it would be legal but it's not...

I disagree. It's not legal because it gives an unfair advantage to the game animal. Just my opinion. The biologists would probably put them out, but then hunters would just hunt right over them.

If it wasn’t good, you wouldn't see the high-priced trophy ranches planting food plots and placing minerals and feeders all over their trophy buck ranches. I watched one of the shows on Versus one time and the subject was how to "properly" place a mineral block on your property. They buried an oil pan or kitty litter box in the ground with gravel on the bottom, placed the mineral block in it and then covered it with the natural soil. If I remember right, the gravel was for drainage.

Mergrath · Sep-14-2009, 08:55 PM

This is a great idea for a thread...nice madbuck!

I don't agree with "baiting". My defintion of baiting is food...not minerals. Many a folk want to bitch about our small antlered deer...then bitch when they find mineral blocks laying around. I don't think you should hunt over them per say but I don't see the big issue with dropping them on some trails in the areas you hunt to promote antler growth as well as help balance their diet. I too don't think deer go to minerals as they would food. imo

Feeding the deer food that is not part of their daily diet is just wrong for several reasons. These deer just like your dog need to develop enzyms to digest this new food source. This would cause digestive issues along with other posible health issues. Another reason, just like wild cats who might have two offspring with a poor diet, you give that same cat a solid food sorce and their next litter could cary up to 10+. So you essentially create a false habitat that would make for a larger herd that would become dependent on your provided increase in a food source. What happens when you no longer feed these deer???

gpomplin · Sep-14-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorfan

I disagree. It's not legal because it gives an unfair advantage to the game animal. Just my opinion. The biologists would probably put them out, but then hunters would just hunt right over them.

If it wasn’t good, you wouldn't see the high-priced trophy ranches planting food plots and placing minerals and feeders all over their trophy buck ranches. I watched one of the shows on Versus one time and the subject was how to "properly" place a mineral block on your property. They buried an oil pan or kitty litter box in the ground with gravel on the bottom, placed the mineral block in it and then covered it with the natural soil. If I remember right, the gravel was for drainage.

///// right but if you read the articles on it and listen closely to the films it is controlled feeding and what madbucks22 said was just throwing out piles of corn the deer here are not used to that kind of diet and it will cause intestinal blockages which will kill them... it comes down to controlled feeding and they get used to eating like that, just like the whitetail in wisconsin those deer are used to feeding in farmers corn fields and truck farms every day therefore their system is used to it....

gatorfan · Sep-14-2009, 09:20 PM

G,
It must be too close to your bedtime.

I am for minerals but against feeding foreign foods.

**el Toro** · Sep-14-2009, 10:01 PM

I have no problems with baiting in places where it is legal and where the population can support such tactics. SD county is neither kind of place. Obviously it's illegal but I think the bigger issue is that we simply do not have enough deer to allow for that advantage. If baiting were legal, success rates would go through the roof and too many of our already weak population would be killed. We'd wipe out the deer in just a few seasons.

IMO, food, minerals, even a water tank, it's all baiting. If it artificially draws an animal to an area so you can hunt it, that's baiting. I don't have a problem with it. I've done it myself in other states. We just unfortunately don't have the luxury of a big enough deer herd to support that advantageous tactic.

Now, I think people baiting locally should be drawn and quartered. It makes it so unfair to the guys who are doing it legally. I work too hard to find and maintain good set ups to have some dickhead 1/2 mile away sucking all my deer away with a bait pile. I hope the DFG prosecutes this issue HARD.

Mergrath · Sep-15-2009, 07:20 AM

It's confusing to me that we can hunt over water here especially given our harsh environment. That just doesn't make sense at all.

I will respect the laws as I always do but I think the DFG should help our herd by supplying their own mineral sources. They do food plots...why not minerals? Wouldn't this help their overall heath as well?

I also must add that it is unusual when I find a treestand that there isn't a mineral block near by. I told One Track a little while back that it didn't bother me like someone baiting with feed...should it?

gpomplin · Sep-15-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mergrath

It's confusing to me that we can hunt over water here especially given our harsh environment. That just doesn't make sense at all.

I will respect the laws as I always do but I think the DFG should help our herd by supplying their own mineral sources. They do food plots...why not minerals? Wouldn't this help their overall heath as well?

I also must add that it is unusual when I find a treestand that there isn't a mineral block near by. I told One Track a little while back that it didn't bother me like someone baiting with feed...should it?

well Tim #1 their too lazy and #2 they would rather spend billions on the MLPA ,,with all the money they took away from the kids in the schools they should have plenty ,,but I guess they needed another f----n pay raise

**el Toro** · Sep-15-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mergrath

It's confusing to me that we can hunt over water here especially given our harsh environment. That just doesn't make sense at all.

I will respect the laws as I always do but I think the DFG should help our herd by supplying their own mineral sources. They do food plots...why not minerals? Wouldn't this help their overall heath as well?

I also must add that it is unusual when I find a treestand that there isn't a mineral block near by. I told One Track a little while back that it didn't bother me like someone baiting with feed...should it?

Should it? Absolutely. If you are found hunting a stand within 250 yards of a bait site (minerals are bait in the DFG's eyes) you are in violation and can be cited. Whether you know it is there or not. Just beware.

Also, you can't hunt over water that was placed there specifically for the purpose of hunting. If it is there for normal agricultural purposes (cattle) or if the water is naturally occuring that is OK, but you cannot create your own water source just to hunt over.

A few years ago, I had a warden checking my license and tag up there and I asked him if I could bury a 5 gal bucket, fill it up with water, and hunt over it. He just laughed and said no way.

fiskfinder · Sep-15-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorfan

I disagree. It's not legal because it gives an unfair advantage to the game animal.

Is this misprint? (not trying to bust your balls but I assume you meant It's not legal because it gives an unfair advantage to the Hunter?)
Either way, I wouldn't drop my own lick but If I happened to notice one I wouldn't hunt too far away.....

Mergrath · Sep-15-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by el Toro

Should it? Absolutely. If you are found hunting a stand within 250 yards of a bait site (minerals are bait in the DFG's eyes) you are in violation and can be cited. Whether you know it is there or not. Just beware.

Also, you can't hunt over water that was placed there specifically for the purpose of hunting. If it is there for normal agricultural purposes (cattle) or if the water is naturally occuring that is OK, but you cannot create your own water source just to hunt over.

A few years ago, I had a warden checking my license and tag up there and I asked him if I could bury a 5 gal bucket, fill it up with water, and hunt over it. He just laughed and said no way.

I'd be pissed off if I got cited for hunting near someone elses violation! That just doesn't make sense to me...especially if you didn't know it existed. 250 yards up there...that's like hoping the 5 stands that are within range of mine are following the laws.

I guess I'll just mind my P's & Q's and be more vigilant in the areas that I'm hunting. I'd much rather leave a note for the hunter than to call DFG but that's just me...now poaching, there's a reason to get the DFG involved!