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Old Oct-17-2009, 12:51 PM   #13
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Sounds like you had an adventure of a lifetime and surely gained some valuable experience for the future. As far as wounding animals, it happens, and it fucking sucks. Most guys I know would not have continued hunting after losing the first one. I can't believe you kept hunting after losing two! Most guys have too much respect for these amazing animals to keep hunting.
Hold your shots for more certain shot opportunities. I would not contemplate hunting elk again until you are better mentally and physically. Start doing 3D shoots. Get your shit together.
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Old Oct-17-2009, 03:33 PM   #14
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Sorry to be harsh, but in all probability you have probably killed one or both elk after a hell of a lot of suffering............... Most guys take that very seriously.
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Old Oct-17-2009, 04:04 PM   #15
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Why dont you guys give it a rest dont you think you have hammered at the poor guy enough, it's not as if you never screwed up when you were young and inexperienced, everyone has at one time or another, so back off him I think he got your point without pete and repete...
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Old Oct-18-2009, 01:08 PM   #16
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Why dont you guys give it a rest dont you think you have hammered at the poor guy enough, it's not as if you never screwed up when you were young and inexperienced, everyone has at one time or another, so back off him I think he got your point without pete and repete...
Continuing to hunt after wounding two Elk is a point that bears repeting ;-) IMO..
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Old Oct-18-2009, 01:46 PM   #17
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Continuing to hunt after wounding two Elk is a point that bears repeting ;-) IMO..
Ok carl but by how many people how many times
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Old Oct-18-2009, 06:12 PM   #18
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Valid point, every experienced bowhunter has had it happen to them. Whether you choose to keep hunting or not is up to you. You are the only one that has to look in the mirror the next morning. You now know what you would do next time if you were ever in the same situation. Learn from it.

That said, elk can live through some gnarly things. Just ask a game processor how many old bullets and broadheads they have taken out of elk, totally healed over.

Just use the experience as fuel to become a better shot and a better hunter.

I lost my marbles several years ago on a monster mule deer buck at 35 yards. This was a buck of a lifetime with a bow, in any unit, in any state. I choked and muffed an easy shot. I was so rattled. I still think of it almost every single day. It really hurts, but as a bowhunter, it was probably the best thing that could have happened to me. It makes me work that much harder.
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Old Oct-19-2009, 07:57 AM   #19
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"Glad I can entertain y'all and no offense taken to any comments. I have thick skin and I'm truly embarrassed at my tag soup ending to an exciting hunt like this."

Just busting your balls. Glad you are not taking it seriously.
I lost a deer I hit with my bow this year too. Fist time ever for me. I beat myself up over it pretty good. Lesson learned.
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Old Oct-19-2009, 08:13 AM   #20
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you shot for the vitals on a bull elk and hit him in the hip?what is that like at least two feet off target.....like the others said you need a lot more practice or hunt with a gun which demands far fewer hunting skills.
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Old Oct-19-2009, 08:51 AM   #21
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I've shot for the vitals and hit somewhere else more than once. It happens, even to the best hunters out there. Animals often move at the shot and any number of things can happen. You do all you can to prevent it but sometimes things happen that are out of your control once the arrow leaves the bow.

I once hit a deer almost 2 feet off target at just 14 yards. Does that make me a bad shot? I don't need to toot my own horn but I can certainly back up my shooting skills.

My point is that don't just assume the guy is a bad shot unless you know him personally. Strange things happen when hunting real animals, even to excellent archers.

If there is any fault here, IMO it's that more effort could have been made to recover the hit animals. I've found animals that were hit in the ass, guts, etc. Animals that I never thought I'd find, but did by not giving up. Oddly enough, the only 2 animals I've ever lost were good hits through the chest. I didn't think either would have made it 50 yards. I have no idea how either of those animals got away. Like I said, wierd things sometimes happen when bowhunting.
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Old Oct-20-2009, 12:06 AM   #22
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The camera comment was way too funny...I deserved that.

Q.What would Jesus have done?
A. uh, let all gods creatures live.

Q. What would a cave man have done?
A. killed everything. Then killed anybody that didn't like it.

I did something in the middle. Be a hater, or understand my choices- I don't really care. I'm an archery hunter and sht happens. Those of you that archery hunt also have all been in similar situations and understand that it is way tougher than tv portrays.

When I posted this story, I expected a few jabs but I was hoping that some serious hunters would have offered real knowlegable advise about calling techniques for pre rut/early rut calling methods or ? maybe even advise about set up situations. Instead nearly everyone with a few appreciated exceptions jumped on the "this guy sucks" bandwagon. I realize after reading the comments posted by a few of you all that my experiences in chasing, hunting, and actually harvesting elk ( yes I've actualy found a few I've shot) are so far beyond the scope of nearly all the poster on this thread that I should have looked elsewhere for tips. No offense intended at this point...


So the summary of my past few months is this:

I flushed my bonus point down the toilet and applied for an archery bull elk hunt in an extremely rugged public land zone. I scouted like a mofo all summer putting 1000's of miles and tons of scratches on my truck. Meanwhile, I turned down the draw wt. on my 15 yr old PSE and gave it to a 15 yr old friend of a friend's kid with no father figure in his life and taught him the basics. Then I purchased a new ($$$$$) bow and practiced a couple times a week in the yard along with every time I went scouting. Then I invested 14 hard to come by vacation days to the hunt. Then I got lucky, my devotion and years of archery hunting experience paid off. In a year when the rut came late and nearly every bull elk I found responded negatively to calls, I was able to dumped the string 4 times at shots I thought I was confident in. Then after the wack'em broadheads performed exactly as advertized but unfortunately did not prove immediately lethal because of my f-ups, I ended up putting in many hours over a multiple days, in both the dry rocky rugged country and on a monsoon rain soaked mesa trying to recover the wounded animals. Then I actually had the balls to admit failure and post the true, way too long ( I appologize but didn't want to leave out to much) non-sugar coated misserable story. In this mess of a story I actually manned up and admited that nerves, brain farts and wary animals got the best of me.

Wow, after thinking about it. I'm a pathetic un-ethical hunter that doesn't deserve to apply for a license again. I'll list my bow on e-bay tonight. It'll be the brand new-yet well tuned one with the fuzzy worn out string and " I'm a pussy" written in blood from my vag on the riser.

Just kidding, I know it's jealousy. All you "hollier than god" types probably never will be man 'nuff to back away from the 'puter, pick up a bow and chase elk or any animal for that matter through the Juniper, agave, and cat claw choked canyons. No offense but most of you haters out there are typing out of your asses. The real hunters on this site can see through your silk thong. When the haters grow a pube or two and want to tag along on a real adventure, buy a bow, practice like a SOB at the range and then call me or somebody like me. I'll take you out and show you monster elk on public land. Fair Warning though, bring some lube, judging from how my missed shots this past season panned out, I might accidently bury my stiff purple headed shaft into your rump.

Damn, I really crack myself up. Can you tell I've been sucking down Keystones?

Oh by the way, get ready for "Plain suck guy goes mulie hunting in AZ" I'm sure it will be a story full of honest to god missery.


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Old Oct-20-2009, 09:29 AM   #23
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classic! Welcome to BD, you have the right attitude.

I actually appreciate your honesty. Most folks would have omitted or downplayed their mistakes, you were honest with them.

I'm no expert on elk hunting as I have yet to draw a good bow tag. I've killed a couple with a rifle but am really jonesing to close the deal with a bow. It has been the one animal I really haven't been able to bowhunt much.

That said, since you asked, here is what I know about calling. Take it with a grain of salt if you want.

Use the bugle sparingly. It is best served for 2 purposes. Locating and challenging. When locating the bugle needs to sound soft and not too agressive. Just a subtle "hello, how are you, I'm over here". Then move in closer and cow call. Carry several cow calls. Know how to make different sounds with each call so you can sound like mulitple elk. Learn the estrus whines and employ them during peak time.

Don't be afraid to get out in the middle of the night with that bugle. If you don't know where to start the next day. Get out there at 3 am and give a few locator bugles. They may respond and give away their location. This is especially useful for bulls that shut right up after sunrise.

A bugle can also be used as a challenge. This can sometimes work with bulls that have cows but the situation has to be right. If you challenge a bull with cows and you are more than 100-150 yards away, the bull will just round up his cows and move off. He'd rather hump his girls than fight with you so if you give him enough room to collect his girls and leave, he will. A challenge will only work when you get right in the bull's face. You get in close to 80 yards and blow a nasty, pissed off bugle. If the bull is dominant enough he will have no other choice but to come in. You are in his comfort zone and he does not have enough time to herd up his cows and leave. He has to come fight.

If this is not working with the bugle, or if the bull is not dominant but you still want to kill him, challenge him by raking trees, breaking sticks, shuffling the ground, etc. Curiousity might pull him in.

Another tip I've gleaned is that if you have a bull that responds to your calls, walks in and stops just out of range, then turns and walks away... As soon as he walks back out of sight, run up to the spot right where he came in to. Make the exact same call that brought him in the first time. This time if he comes back he will likely come close to the same spot and you will be within range.

Lastly, don't be afraid to leave the calls in your pack entirely. If nothing is working simply do your best to slide in undetected and make your shot. Get in between them when they are heading from food to bed. Elk give us the advantage is that they bugle to tell us where they are. I think a lot of people make the mistake that because they bugle, they will respond to our calls. Sometimes they wont. That's when ninja stalking skills come in handy. Don't be afraid to slip in without calling.

These are just a few of the tips I've read about and that I have taken from the many videos and seminars I've watched. Every year I get all geeked out and start researching and reading and learning as much as I can, only to not draw a darn tag! Oh well, one of these days it will fall into place and I'll be ready.
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Old Oct-20-2009, 06:47 PM   #24
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are you sure you are not a duck hunter? my pile of shit video was a response to drew's 7 dogs by the way. Your story was great and i still want to see photos so post them up!

I have killed 3 bulls with my Bow so i have a little experience killing them but i am far from epic good as i am sure a few guys on here have more elk then i have years.

Learn to use the Diaphragm Call. It will take a lot of work and more then a few weeks to get good with them but for bow hunting i think they are mandatory. My personal fav is the Carlton 2.5 reed. They used to be HS ELK but now Carlton makes them. I do use a triple and a single reed now and again but the 2.5 is my best call. Spend some time shadowing a herd and listen to the elk. The calls you hear all have a reason. From hey just checking in to hey mom where are you and so on. The contentment call will save your ass someday. More then once i have been busted by a stupid spike and gave a contentment call and had the spike put its head down and start eating. Calling elk is super dynamic in that you rarely get the typical blow the bugle and have big old bull rush in and stand broadside. You have to adapt and apply what you know and the more you do it the more you will have ready to use on them. Never ever call from a indefensible position. Even if you think that no elk are near call near cover. I can not stress that one more! if you bugle do it where you can pull the string back with out busting the elk that just lifted it's head 20 yards from you. Learn how to make the squeal of a young bull. You can do that call with no tube and its sloppy so you can screw it up and it just makes the sound better. I could go on for hours i just love elk hunting If anyone ever wants someone to go along and call for them i would LOVE TO!

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