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Big Flies for Lake Trout

After reading Capt. G’s post on the bix flex flies, I just wanted to add some more options for big flies for big fish. I’m anxious to tie up some of those flex sardines but figured I’d show some big flies we’ve been using on big lake trout.

Four out of the last 5 summers I’ve made a trip up to Wellesley Lake in Canada’s Yukon Territory. We stay at Brian Dack’s Kluane Wilderness Lodge ( Home Page ) which is the only lodge on this fly-in lake. The lake is clock full of big lake trout and northern pike. The lakers probably average in the 6 to 8# range, with lots of bigger ones. The fishing is all catch and release except for a small number kept for a couple shore lunches each week. The conventional fishermen get lots of lake trout in the 30s, a decent number of 40s, and there are usually a few 50s caught each summer. We especially like the place since there are no guides and you can do your own thing, fish conventional, fly, whatever. In late June and early July there is also 24 hours of daylight so you can fish all you want. This past summer we finally started to figure out how to get some of the bigger fish to eat the flies. We had gotten few previously, but nothing consistent until this past summer. Ticket seemed to be the bigger flies, but fished in a different location from where we normally spent our time.

Here’s a nice midnight view of the lake from the lodge’s deck.
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The lake trout feed on smaller lake trout and pike, ciscos (a sardine sized baitfish), and lake whitefish that get up to 10#. They have big mouths and bigger appetites as you can see by this picture.
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Brian fishes almost every day and he has his best luck on the big Lakers using big swimbaits like Fish Traps, and especially the big 7” Tora Tubes by Canyon Plastics. The Tora Tubes are really giant Gitzits.

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He targets the fish tight to the bottom and stays in that 35 to 60’ zone using leadcore trolling line. His tactics are deadly. He trolls very slowly bouncing the bottom and when he sees a meter mark right on the bottom, he takes the outboard out of gear and jigs. Here’s a few pics from one of the nights we fished with him last summer including a pic of a 40+ caught by my friend Al. In one of the pics you can see the big Tora Tube sticking out of the mouth.

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While going out and fishing that heavy gear is fun, I much prefer to catch these fish on fly tackle. We fish 8 weight outfits, with 12# or 16# tippets, and we finally started zeroing in on how to catch the bigger fish on flys this past summer. We’ve had luck with integrated shooting lines like Teeny 300 grain but we’ve done best using a 27 foot length of Rio T-14 or Cortland L-13 followed by a 100 foot intermediate running line. We started looking for some bigger flies a couple years back. My friend Rick went to Grace who ties flies at His and Hers Flyshop in Costs Mesa. Rick brought in a fishtrap and asked for a fly that would act as a substitute for a Fishtrap. Grace really thinks outside the box and isn’t afraid to try some crazy stuff if you throw ideas at her. She came up with what she called a Texas Leach which was about 6” long and made out of magnum rabbit strips. She tied about a 4 inch length of magnum rabbit strip in back at the bend of the hook, then wrapped the shank with cross cut rabbit, then tie in a 3 inch piece of magnum rabbit near the eye of the hook. You can add some flash before adding the rabbit and the addition of a cone head or barbell eyes really gave it a good jigging action. It’s heavy when wet but the rabbit really has some killer action in the water. Colors we’ve had luck with are black, orange, white, yellow, and purple, plus various combinations of these colors. While Grace’s flies were about 6 inches long, I made up a bunch for this last summer that were in the 9 to 11 inch range. They are really quick to tie and work great. Here’s a couple picks of the flies.

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We’ve always had good luck with articulated flies out of rabbit. I believe these are steelhead or salmon patterns from Alaska. We found a how-to-tie write-up for a triple articulated fly at an Alaskan flyfishing website that gave us a much bigger articulated leech.
Alaska Flyfishing Patterns - Triple Threat Articulated Leech Fly Pattern for Alaska Rainbow Trout, Northern Pike, Steelhead & Dolly Varden Fishing
Only change we made were snipping off the front two hooks. These flys worked great and were 7 to 9 inches long also. They worked great but they do take quite a bit longer to tie than the Texan Leeches. Here’s a selection of double and triple articulateds that Grace tied up at His and Hers Flyshop.

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This year we were able to get some fish off the bottom using the leadcore shooting head systems while drifiting. It was really hard to stay down deep with the flies in that zone for long though. What we found is that under certain conditions the lakers are up on the surface out in deeper water chasing around the lake whitefish and ciscos when they are schooled up. These were the fish we got to eat our big flies this past summer. I think we ended up with between 8 and 10 fish this year that went over 20# on flies, including a 24.5# and a twoe at 26.5#. If you look in the IGFA book you''ll see that those big ones are pushing into record size.

I think G's flexidine would work too since the lake is also full of ciscos which is a sardine size bait fish. I’m also sure those fish on the surface would eat those big hard trout baits the bass guys throw. Here’s are some of the bigger fish we caught and released on the big rabbit flies.

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I’m really looking forward to getting back up there again on July 1st. Fun stuff!! Keep those ideas for flies coming.
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Jim, great read and photos. In August of 2007 the wife and I drove the Alaska Highway and we also took the Klondike Loop from Whitehorse to Dawson and then the Top of the World Highway to Tok, Alaska. I swear it seems like we drove by Wellesley or came close to it. I know we saw signs for Kluane Lodge. It sure is gorgeous out there and I wish that we could have partaken of that fine lake trout fishing.

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In August of 2007 the wife and I drove the Alaska Highway and we also took the Klondike Loop from Whitehorse to Dawson and then the Top of the World Highway to Tok, Alaska. I swear it seems like we drove by Wellesley or came close to it. I know we saw signs for Kluane Lodge.

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Steve - The lodge and Wellesley Lake are about 40 miles from the nearest road and Beaver Creek (a border crassing town into Alaska) is the nearest town. We actually fly into the lake from Whitehorse, which is about 190 miles away. What you probably saw was signs for Kluane National Park and Kluane Lake which are to the southwest of where I was and right on the Alcan highway. Its some pretty neat country up there. Been to the Yukon 5 times and can't wait to go back again. One of these days I'll get up to the northern parts where you drove to.

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Steve - The lodge and Wellesley Lake are about 40 miles from the nearest road and Beaver Creek (a border crassing town into Alaska) is the nearest town. We actually fly into the lake from Whitehorse, which is about 190 miles away. What you probably saw was signs for Kluane National Park and Kluane Lake which are to the southwest of where I was and right on the Alcan highway. Its some pretty neat country up there. Been to the Yukon 5 times and can't wait to go back again. One of these days I'll get up to the northern parts where you drove to.

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Jim, you're right. On the return trip we stopped for dinner at Kluane Lake along the section of the Alaska Highway we missed by taking the Klondike Loop going north. At the place we ate, the walls were covered with mounts of large lake trout that were caught at Kluane Lake. On that trip we pretty much covered every highway in Alaska, including the Dalton Highway out onto the North Slope. We hit the Kenai Peninsula and when we got notice that our ferry from Haines to Bellingham blew an engine, we drove the Cassiar Highway back down. Lot of driving, some flyfishing, ton of beatiful scenery.

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Those are some good looking flies! Like you I like to use rabbit strips for flys, as they give the fly great action. I have no doubt in my mind that big bass would eat those flies. I think I will ties some up for bass and call the color "Gay Bunny" (Rainbow (trout) fly made out of Rabbit). If anybody asks me about the fly, I will say that I read it from you, on BD. Give credit where credit is due.

I have a request. If you have a proper scale, could you please weigh one of the 8 inch bunny leaches , both wet, and dry? I am curious how much they would weigh.

My guide in Belize tied up a rabbit strip tarpon fly that sort of looked like a traditional 'cockroach' pattern, but had a forked piece of black rabbit strip about 5 inches long and very wide, plus hackle feathers AND black and red bucktail. Talk about bulky and hard to cast! But I got one of my largest tarpon (fly caught) on that fly, C&R estimate of 140 pounds on 16 lb. class tippet on a 10 wt. rod, and a Penn International 4 reel.

Thanks for your post--makes me want to go get the lakers again this winter, when they are on the surface.
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Now this is a thread with some great info. Thanks Jim.

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I have a request. If you have a proper scale, could you please weigh one of the 8 inch bunny leaches , both wet, and dry? I am curious how much they would weigh.

Thanks for your post--makes me want to go get the lakers again this winter, when they are on the surface.

Capt G - I don't have a scale that would weigh those flies accurately. I bet they vary a lot depending on the types eyes or beadheads as well as the quality of the rabbit. The rabbit strips seem to vary a lot as to how thick the hide is. Hey, if you PM or email me your address I'll just mail you a couple and you can weigh them and give them a try on your Japanese lake trout. It will probably be after New Years before I can send them as I'm heading out of town for about a week between Xmas and New Years.


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Scott - Thats a nice looling fly. What's it called and do you have a link to the recipe for tying it?

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Jim - It's basically an Abrames flat wing. Bucktail, sadlle hackles, flash and peacock herl. John Kelsey ties a flat wing pattern called the "I told you so." That pattern shown above is very similar, but it's inverted on a keel hook with 2 bucktail bases. It doesn't have the weight of wet rabbit, but it still moves well!
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Capt G - I don't have a scale that would weigh those flies accurately. I bet they vary a lot depending on the types eyes or beadheads as well as the quality of the rabbit. The rabbit strips seem to vary a lot as to how thick the hide is. Hey, if you PM or email me your address I'll just mail you a couple and you can weigh them and give them a try on your Japanese lake trout. It will probably be after New Years before I can send them as I'm heading out of town for about a week between Xmas and New Years.


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Hi Jim,
I tried was not able to PM you, for some reason.
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That is a cool looking fly.
I like the way you tied it 'bonefish' or weedless style, with the hook up.
The would be killer to fish over the weeds for bass.
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