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The World Record (fly) largemouth bass

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20-pound tippet –9 pounds, 5 oz., Dennis Ditmars, Lake Poway, Calif., April 22, 1992

I have been corresponding with my new BD friend, Steve M. regarding fishing trout flies (as in big trout imitating flies) for largemouth bass at some of the waters we both like to fish. He informed me of the above 20 lb. tippet record.
Not a big bass expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I have caught several dozen bass over ten pounds on giant swimbaits on conventional bass tackle. I have also caught quite a few bass over five pounds on fly tackle, my biggest being 7.75 lbs.
The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc04088.jpg
I used a twelve inch wood swimbait (in the fish's mouth) to trick this nice Perris fish during a photo shoot for a Japanese bass fishing magazine.
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This obese fish came from DVL. While we did not get a ten pound fish that day, we did catch 29 fish, 21 of those were over five pounds, all on an 8 inch Polywood swimbait. I think that DVL would be the place to catch a 20 lb. class tippet record, as there are so many fish in the 9 to 11 pound range in that lake.
The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc01440.jpg
Getting to the point, I am not interested in this record, but I do like catching bass on trout imitations. I usually bring a 9, and a 12 wt. rod, but casting large flies, even on the 12 wt. is tiring at best. I have made flies out of everything, hackle, bucktail, rabbit fur with the skin on (swims great but is HEAVY when wet). I started making 8 inch flies out of this material, which I use for making custom rods.
The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc01441.jpg
Two things separate this fly/material from the 'norm'.
First is the material is hollow, and can be made into almost any shape.
Second it is extremely light. My 8 inch 'Flex-Trout' tied on a Gamakatsu 6/0 hook (a Worm 36), even with the over size 3D eyes weight only four grams. For comparison, a normal 4 inch epoxy head fly that I tie for dorado (pictured below) weight the same, four grams.
The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc01424.jpg
Simply pinch the 'tail' and wrap with regular nylon thread, whip finish, and hit with a dab of superglue, and you have the tail.
The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc01438.jpg

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insert the hook, and pinch the nose tight, and wrap with green thread, whip finish, and super glue the head and they eyes on. I like big gold 10 mm eyes. The body can be colored before, or after tying. I just use Sharpees. Here I used on the silver material, Blue for the extreme top of the back, green for the overall body color, red for the parr marks and lateral line, and black for the tail and for the spots.
I am sure you could make it look much better with some airbrushing, but I do not even own one, and the bass pictured above didn't seem to mind the fact that the swimbaits were colored/tuned with Sharpees.
The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc01448.jpg
Finally, since I make custom rods for a living, and have leftover Flex Coat each day, I coat just the first half of the fly, to the nose. This holds the eyes on, and gives it a hard shape to knife / dart through the water.
Sometimes I garnish with single hackle pectoral fins and even a dorsal fin once and a while. Adding fins makes the fly harder to cast in the wind.
The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc01449.jpg
Since the material is like loose netting, with the exception of the forward part that you Flex-Trouted (flex-coated), you can insert things like pieces of foam to make it float, or glass rattles (pictured on the wood table), which I really like to use in the winter on staging pre-spawn fish.

Total time to make the above fly-12 minutes.
No, I am not claiming to have 'invented' this fly; I am sure someone has done it before. It is easy to tie, and is cool, so I though I would share it with ya'll. It works well in saltwater too, and I just give it a blue back, and a lateral line of black spots, and you have a 'Flex-Dine'.

Although I did not invent this fly, I did invent live sardines.
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Old Dec-15-2008, 11:23 AM   #2
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That thing is sick! Looks like a great fly to throw with my 10-wt while on the paddies.

What is the cost for about 6 of those for "testing" when the water warms up?
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Capt G.,

That fly will definitely do some damage on the big bass. My only question is what is "this material"?

What's really amazing in fly fishing is that guys creating flies come from many different backgrounds and experience, so there's huge variation in approach and materials. Many, like yourself, just grab some material that's laying around and start tying when the inspiration hits. I'm waiting for that inspiration to come out in me, but I'm just too new at the fly fishing and in he stage where you just absorb everything. That said, I'm sucking it all up.

Throwing a 9 wt with a sink line burns me out about mid-day. The only problem with the big bass fishing is that the relief stick is a GUSA 7/11 H for throwing the big baits. By the end of the day I'm ready for rotator cuff surgery.

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When I get to Osaka in a few months I'll hold Capt. G at gun point until he shows me how to make them. Then we'll drink gallons of chuhai before we paint them.

The I'll stuff them in jars of peanut butter to smuggle them back into the country... They'll taste great...


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That thing is sick! Looks like a great fly to throw with my 10-wt while on the paddies.

What is the cost for about 6 of those for "testing" when the water warms up?
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Although it's entirely possible that we'll get that all out of order. If the chuhai comes first then the flies may not look all that great and who knows what will happen with the peanut butter...
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That thing is sick! Looks like a great fly to throw with my 10-wt while on the paddies.

What is the cost for about 6 of those for "testing" when the water warms up?
Your cost would be "Free Ninety Five" each.
I don't sell them, but I will tie you up some after I finish Steve's Flex Trout.

The World Record (fly) largemouth bass-dsc01478.jpg

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For yellows and dorado on the paddies, meet "Flex-Dine". I make it with a "split tail" (come on, we all like split tail, right?) to match the sardine/mackerel shape tail. I use a red eye, to help them see better.
This fly is six inches long, and has a big profile, yet weighs only two grams (less than a six inch Deceiver, or epoxy head minnow).

Smudge--you were supposed to keep that "Peanut Butter" thing a secret.

BTW, is "Fryrod" spelled with two 2 "r's" or with threee?
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Your cost would be "Free Ninety Five" each.
I don't sell them, but I will tie you up some after I finish Steve's Flex Trout.

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For yellows and dorado on the paddies, meet "Flex-Dine". I make it with a "split tail" (come on, we all like split tail, right?) to match the sardine/mackerel shape tail. I use a red eye, to help them see better.
This fly is six inches long, and has a big profile, yet weighs only two grams (less than a six inch Deceiver, or epoxy head minnow).

Smudge--you were supposed to keep that "Peanut Butter" thing a secret.

BTW, is "Fryrod" spelled with two 2 "r's" or with threee?

Check is in the mail........

The peanut butter trick is old news. Ask him about the nutella trick, it made for some awkward times in the duck blind last year.............
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Capt. G - I've has some of that flex material in the drawer for years and never knew what to do with it. Now I've got some experimenting to do.

This flex fly as well as your picture in your trout post with the lake trout eating a big bass plug has got me thinking. I've been going up to Wellesley Lake in Canada's Yukon Territory the past few summers where we target lake trout on flys. We go to Kluane Wilderness Lodge which is the only place on the lake. The lake is chock full of big lakers and northern pike. Average laker is probably in that 5 to 8# range, with lots of bigger ones. The conventional fisherman get lots of fish in the 30s, a decent number of 40s, and there are usually a few 50s caught each summer. The best lures on conventional are big fish traps and especially the giant Tora Tube version of the gitzits. I bet those big trout bait would kill them since we see the big fish chasing 5 to 8 pound lake whitefish around on the surface.

We fish 8 weight outfits, with 12# or 16# tippets, and we finally started zeroing in on how to cath the bigger fish on flys this past summer. In '07 we tried some rabbit leaches that were about 6 inches long and they did pretty good. Before the trip thsi past June I made some up that were more like 9 or 10 inches long. They are heavy when wet but really have soem good action. Anyway, we had between 8 and 10 fish this year that went over 20# on these flys, including a 24.5# and a oouple at 26.5#. If you look in the IGFA book you''ll see that those big ones are pushing into record size. I think your flex fly would work too since the lake is also full of ciscos which is a sardine size bait fish. I'll get some pics together of the fish and some of the flys and post them in the next couple days. This is fun stuff.

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[quote=Hamachi;1196088]Capt. G - I've has some of that flex material in the drawer for years and never knew what to do with it. Now I've got some experimenting to do.

This flex fly as well as your picture in your trout post with the lake trout eating a big bass plug has got me thinking. I've been going up to Wellesley Lake in Canada's Yukon Territory the past few summers where we target lake trout on flys. We go to Kluane Wilderness Lodge which is the only place on the lake. The lake is chock full of big lakers and northern pike. Average laker is probably in that 5 to 8# range, with lots of bigger ones. The conventional fisherman get lots of fish in the 30s, a decent number of 40s, and there are usually a few 50s caught each summer. The best lures on conventional are big fish traps and especially the giant Tora Tube version of the gitzits. I bet those big trout bait would kill them since we see the big fish chasing 5 to 8 pound lake whitefish around on the surface.

We fish 8 weight outfits, with 12# or 16# tippets, and we finally started zeroing in on how to cath the bigger fish on flys this past summer. In '07 we tried some rabbit leaches that were about 6 inches long and they did pretty good. Before the trip thsi past June I made some up that were more like 9 or 10 inches long. They are heavy when wet but really have soem good action. Anyway, we had between 8 and 10 fish this year that went over 20# on these flys, including a 24.5# and a oouple at 26.5#. If you look in the IGFA book you''ll see that those big ones are pushing into record size. I think your flex fly would work too since the lake is also full of ciscos which is a sardine size bait fish. I'll get some pics together of the fish and some of the flys and post them in the next couple days.

You wrote "This is fun stuff".

This is true. I would like to see those big laker flies; maybe I can adapt them for some of the fishing I do here in Japan.

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Any chance you could send me one of those trout ones? I am right near DVL and have seen a bass in the 15-18 pound range constantly swimming around the shore line. I have tried every lure I got trying to catch it, but no luck. I think your fly might do the trick.
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G-man.... thats brilliant!! You've found a much better use for that braided tubing.... its worthless as butt wrap! I just built my first two fly rods. They came out nice, and I'm kind of intrigued by the whole fly fishing thing. Think I'll build myself a nice 9 or 10 weight and give your fly's a try. At the least, I'll get them to someone like Marcus who can actually "throw" them.
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