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Old May-23-2006, 03:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Dropper loop knots on the Ghetto Tensile Tester

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I thought everyone were dumb like me on this site?

Fuck this place.
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Old May-23-2006, 04:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Don't feel bad. As for Popa Pescarul, he's just a Train Driver....it says so right on his Bio!
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Old May-26-2006, 09:04 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Dropper loop knots on the Ghetto Tensile Tester

perfection loop on the GTT:

33.5 33.5 25 36 31.5 36.5 28.5 37 26.5 29
/x = 31.7#
S = 4.2895#
75.5% original line strength, +/-10%

The perfection loop is really easy to tie, a good knot for tying in the dark.
It actually came in a little stronger and more consistent than the bogus surgeon's loop, but weaker and less consistent than the figure8 surgeon's loop.
The knot is really small, like maybe half the bulk of the surgeon's loops.
The loop comes straight off the standing line nicely as a terminal loop, the tag end tends to stick out at a right angle instead of lying flat though.
You can only use this knot as a terminal loop, not as a dropper. If you pull on the two ends with the loop in the middle of the line it just pulls the loop closed and the knot unties like a magician's disappearing knot.
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Re: Dropper loop knots on the Ghetto Tensile Tester

Well, I do think that you have done your home work, what about light line under 15? do you think the lighter line might give a different results with different knots due to the heat or increased stretch factors when clinching? or like the spectra knots be some be better than others based on the line to leader diameter difference? Not that i want you to do another expierement but what do you think? you are now the KNOT doc due to your diligent reaserch
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Old May-26-2006, 08:06 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Dropper loop knots on the Ghetto Tensile Tester

knot-doc sounds good! I've been called a knot-head before, I don't think it had anything to do with tying them though...

I expect there will be some differences with lighter lines. It might turn out that you'd be better off with one type of knot for a heavy line, another for a light line. It will be interesting to see what happens. I'll get around to testing that eventually.
Then there's comparing different brands of line...that should get some lively conversation going!
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Old May-26-2006, 09:59 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Dropper loop knots on the Ghetto Tensile Tester

In the spirit of that Toyota Commercial where the little kids are in the lab with the engineer that's crash testing Toyotas....."Do the purple one, Bob!"

Knot-Doc, do the double uni....do the double uni!
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Re: Dropper loop knots on the Ghetto Tensile Tester

My own ghetto tester is my rockfish ganion.

I tie my own with dropper loops in 40# Big game & clip 'em to 50# Spectra main line.

I can tell ya the dropper loop knot is hella strong. Never had one break on a feesh and pulling out of the rocks is generally a major PITA from a PB & not much better on a sporty.

Never had the Spectra break, BTW and I use both PP & JB.

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Old May-30-2006, 11:23 AM   #21 (permalink)
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In the spirit of that Toyota Commercial where the little kids are in the lab with the engineer that's crash testing Toyotas....."Do the purple one, Bob!"

Knot-Doc, do the double uni....do the double uni!
That was a GREAT commercial!
Ok, by popular request, the purple one...

First, I ran out of line on my reference spool. Fortunately, Friday was payday, so I picked up a new spool of same brand Izor 40#.
I re-tied some reference knots to make sure the new spool was comparable to the old one:

5 Overhand knots:
29.5 28 29 29.5 29.5
/x = 29.1# vs spool1 31.9#
S = .652# vs spool1 1.853#

5 figure 8 surgeon's loops:
37.5 33 37.5 34 34
/x = 35.2# vs spool1 36.3#
S = 2.139# vs spool1 1.874#

So, the same knots on spool2 came in 1-2# weaker.
The results of the fig8 sugeon's loops from spool1 and spool2 were closer,
so I'll choose to normalize the data against this knot assuming it's representing 85% of
the original true line strength for each spool.
Spool1's true line strength was estimated to be 42.5#, this puts spool2 at 41.4#.

Now that we have a reference, the double uni (a.k.a. uni-to-uni) splice:
25.5 24.5 23.5 27.5 22.5 30 25 19 19 19 19.5 22.5 19.5 23 23 21.5 21.5 25 21 22
/x=22.7#
S=2.962#
= 54.83% original line strength +/- 7.15%

And, a couple other splice knots to compare it against:

Blood Knot:
27.5 19.5 27.5 25 33 26 17 21 15 19.5 19 19.5 20.5 16.5 18.5
/x=21.667#
S=5.017#
= 52.33% original line strength +/- 12.12%

Seaguar Knot:
25 26.5 29 25 22.5 30 25 21.5 28.5 26
/x=25.9#
S=2.726#
= 62.56% original line strength +/- 6.58%

The uni-uni and blood knots were tied using 5 turns for each side.
The seaguar knot was tied with 3 twists to the loop, then the leader side fed through. I was simply splicing a short length of the same 40# izor onto itself, so these results are for splicing 2 lines of the same diameter.

Sadly, as with so many things in life, that with the tightest, best looking body proved to be the least reliable.

The uni-uni was suprisingly only slightly stronger than the blood knot, but does appear to be more reliable. I took so many samples because I was really suprised that it wasn't coming in stronger than this. It was strange to see what I thought to be my best tied blood knots, which cinched down with the smallest and tightest wraps, were the weakest ones to break.

The tag ends of the blood knot stick straight out from the standing line, while the tag ends of the uni-uni lie flatter. This can be good or bad.
Even though they lie flatter, they form a better hook to catch weeds or rod guides. It's important to trim the tag ends of the uni-uni close.
The blood knot needs a little more tag end left on, as it is more vulnerable to slipping.

The structure of the blood knot is simpler than uni-uni, but it's a little trickier to tie. The uni-uni is tied as 2 separate knots, the only trick being to know just how tight each separate uni should be cinched down before cinching them together. The blood knot requires keeping tension on 2 standing ends and 2 tag ends until the whole thing can be tightened down, requiring a bit more finger gymnastics.

The seaguar is really simple to tie, unless you have a too long a length of line to feed through the loop created in the knot's construction. (You probably don't want to have to feed 100yds of topshot through the knot to tie it!). But, if you're splicing a heavy leader of similar diameter it seems to be the way to go.

For tying on a topshot, or otherwise splicing 2 long lengths of line, the uni-uni should be compared to a bimini twist/albright.
I'll aslo try some surgeon's knot splices to see how they weigh in.

Until next time...
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Old May-30-2006, 11:33 AM   #22 (permalink)
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My own ghetto tester is my rockfish ganion.

I tie my own with dropper loops in 40# Big game & clip 'em to 50# Spectra main line.

I can tell ya the dropper loop knot is hella strong. Never had one break on a feesh and pulling out of the rocks is generally a major PITA from a PB & not much better on a sporty.

Never had the Spectra break, BTW and I use both PP & JB.

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Hi Rick, I'm curious how you rig your ganions up.
When you say "clip", do you have snap swivels on your 50# specra main held in place with crimps and beads? Then you clip your 40# leaders onto the swivels?
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Old May-30-2006, 12:22 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Dropper loop knots on the Ghetto Tensile Tester

Knot-Doc,
My mistake in nomenclature....
The knot I was thinking of is the Uni as tied to to a hook eye (not uni-uni) but the line is doubled (a bite) before running it through the hook eye.

That explanation might be clear as mud and maybe someone else knows the proper name for that.

Thanks!
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You saying I crashed the wrong car?

Doh!!!slap:
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