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Old Oct-27-2004, 05:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Make your own top shots

Well I was making some top shots for my trip coming up and thought I would take some pictures again in case anyone was interested. You could write a book on this stuff there is some many different angles and techniques but here is the basic. NOTE:The pictures are a little blurry it is tough to take them that close with only 2 hands I will try to fix them later.

First of all you will need a few things; this is a list of what I use. Not all of it is necessary but makes the job easier

JB Hollow Spectra
Some Line
A small amount of solid Spectra
Some JB adhesive
Some burns rigging needles
Leader spool
Razor blade
Sharp scissors
Top Shot Holder

Today I used 130# Spectra and 60# mono



First off wind the desired length on mono onto a leader wheel or old spool
Note: 100yds 60# Izor fills about half of the standard spool like shown, 80# is about 2 3rds and 100# is almost full. I’m not real precise when it come to the length.



Next find the rigging needle that is closest to the mono diameter. Now take a razor blade and shave off the end of the mono to a point so it will fit inside the end of the needle and not fall out.





Now here comes the fun part. Thread the needle into the Spectra. Getting it started takes some practice. Try bunching the end to help open it.



Now start to PULL the Spectra ON TO the needle… I repeat PULL the Spectra ON the needle. Don’t try to push the needle into the spectra. What I have found to work the best for me is to lay the Spectra out flat and straight and point the needle straight at it a grab the Spectra about a ¼ inch from the end of the needle and pull it onto the needle like in the pic below



As the Spectra strats to bunch up on the needle just lightly push it up the line





Repeat this until you have the spectra 4 ft up the line.
Then push the needle out the side



Scoot the Spectra up until you can remove the needle from the line.



Then Scoot the Spectra back over the mono end. Be careful not the pull the mono out as there is nothing in place for the “Chinese Finger Cuff” to work. Pinch the end where the mono exits the spectra and you can smooth out the spectra up the mono.

OK Now we have our mono inside the spectra



I use a top shot holder for the next step but I have done it make shift with a couple clamps.

Secure your line in the holder



There a few ways you can do the next step. I will do all three here but anyone of them is sufficient.

You can just put a dab of JB Adhesive (this is a 2 part adhesive) on a small spot of the spectra where the mono exits and this alone is enough to hold the spectra in place under slack conditions





Or you could serve a small length about 1 inch up the spectra to about a ¼ inch below where the mono exits. I used 50# solid spectra but you can use any small serving material. Remember we just need to hold the spectrain place under slack conditions





Or you can just make series of half hitches along the same area and this works well also although it is not real pleasing to the eye.



OK now we have our 8ft piece of spectra attached to our top shot.

Now we need to attach our top shot to our main line. Here we will do a loop to loop connects. You would repeat these steps on both your main line and your top shot.

Making the loop

With the end of the line towards you insert the latch needle about 6 inches from the end and run it up about 4 inches



Bring the line back through.







Detach needle hold loop with thumb and forefinger of left hand and with the right hand work back the outside covering and basically turn it inside out






Starting about 2 inches from the end loop insert the needle toward the loop abd grab the tag end and pull back through and smooth out then trim loose ends




And there you have it one top shot ready to fish




I'm sure I left some things out, I fill them in tommarrow :cheers
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Old Oct-27-2004, 05:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Damn not bad for a Bass guy, Good luck on your trip, let me know if you have any extra fish.
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Old Oct-27-2004, 05:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Damn not bad for a Bass guy, Good luck on your trip, let me know if you have any extra fish.
Hey my bass boat makes a nice work bench
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Old Oct-27-2004, 07:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Very cool Brandon! It sure helps to pass the time before those trips doesn't it.
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Old Oct-27-2004, 07:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old Oct-27-2004, 07:38 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Small world huh Brandon, I was making wind on top shots today.My only difference is I use the Sato crimps.I made a few with 200 # spectra and 200 # mono, 200 # spectra and 150 # mono. 135 # pound spectra and 90 # floro, 135 # spectra and 100 # mono, 135 # spectra and 80 # mono, 80 # spectra and 40,50 and 60 # floro.

I my rig up a few longer top shots but for know my top shots are all around 25 feet of mono.I have a couple reels that I could maybe have around 40 yards of mono on them but thats it.I have 850 yards of 135 # spectra on my 50 wide,600 yards on my 30 wide,550 yards of 100 # spectra on my 30s, 450 yards 100 # pound spectra on my 16s, and trinidads and accurates are full of 80 #. I may fish my accurate 870 and trini 30 with 30 to 40 yard of top shot.I plan on using my trini 40 for a wahoo jig stick with 80 spectra ten feet 80 mono and 3 feet of 70 titanium wire,oh man brutal just thinking about.Wind and grind.

This is my first trip with every reel completely full of spectra.I have fished a couple other reels in the past with the super short top shots and personally i really like it.

We are only a couple weeks to go man and they are doing pretty damn good right now.See ya at the docks in the morning of the 11th.

Jack

Sorry, great post you put together.
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Old Oct-28-2004, 09:02 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm actually fishing shorter topshots this year. I still need to wind some mono on to see how much room I will have. Was planning on maybe 25 yds. On my 40#/50# rigs I use about a 1/3 of the spool for mono. I still haven't made the move down to fish a few feet of mono
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Old Oct-28-2004, 09:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Brandon, you will really like the short top shots.When the fish is out away from the boat you have full control over the fish and can put tons of pressure on the fish.When the bigger fish do go straight up and down add a little caution at this time.As the boat rocks or the fish really head thumps down keep the rod tip down a little and allow some give or thats when you stand the greatest chance of the line breaking.With almost no stretch in this set up you have to adjust your drag a little lighter.I would still rather have a lighter drag setting than have my mono stretching 30 percent.

Try one set up for jigs, 80 spectra and ten feet tops 80 mono, you will love it.The hook sets are killer.We were on the ridge earlier this summer nailing 50 pound Yellowtail on surface with this set up.The fish were so hot at the gaff it was amazing.

You will also love the feel you get bait fishing with the short shots.I think the biggest advantage is when the fish is running sideways away from the boat, the spectra cuts through the water with no drag.You dont end up with that big loop that puts all the pressure back behind the hook.

One rule of thumb that I have heard Tommy Rothery concerning short top shots is the distance you can cast each rig is the length of the top shot.

Have a blast,
Jack
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Old Oct-28-2004, 11:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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One rule of thumb that I have heard Tommy Rothery concerning short top shots is the distance you can cast each rig is the length of the top shot.

I have heard that as well, I think I will cut a few off short and see how it goes. Actually I have a few very short with flouro
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Branman,
What kind of needle you are using for running the mono into the Hollow Spectra?

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Old Nov-02-2004, 01:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Outfitter Choice hollow spectra needles. You can get them at charkbait http://www.charkbait.com/cs/cshR.htm [scroll down towards the bottom]
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Thanks alot for both of your responses!

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