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Old Dec-25-2009, 01:06 AM   #25
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PSS Some of us have been real clear on the record Pacific Northwest Boating News: NOAA Orca Regulations Opposed at Seattle Meeting | Three Sheets Northwest


CCA was on the record where??????? Remember members don't know and the club stated on record.........................WHAT???
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Old Dec-25-2009, 09:17 AM   #26
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PSS Some of us have been real clear on the record Pacific Northwest Boating News: NOAA Orca Regulations Opposed at Seattle Meeting | Three Sheets Northwest


CCA was on the record where??????? Remember members don't know and the club stated on record.........................WHAT???
CCA made official comments at the Friday Harbor Meeting.
We never got your memo, we were suppose to show up at every meeting.

Is this case ready for the jury yet, or do you just want to hook a chain around our ankles and drag us behind your car?
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Old Dec-25-2009, 11:10 AM   #27
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I was at the Friday Harbor meeting.................with a group of people somehow None of us heard shit from CCA............members yes.

I also spoke on the record there............1st as a matter of fact.

Not trying to drag anyone behind the car.................sorry that it feels that way but really.............The cone of silence and statements that can't be found on record make asking questions easy and answering them impossible. See a public group...............should not be afraid to speak publicly. When they don't what is a person to believe.......................What ever they feel.


PS Having rode back on the boat with Two of your chapter Pres. I spent the whole ride back questioning them on WHY CCA DID NOT MAKE A STATEMENT AS A CLUB on the usual "I'm Bob and I'm a CCA member and in my opinion "


So once again I call BULLSHIT.

PSS. This thread demonstrates that the party line of silence....................doesn't generate support or a belief in representation. Once simple statement such as "CCA is opposed to the science and believes a closure is unnecessary " No secrets on strategy given away.................ON record to position no debate no guessing.

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Old Dec-25-2009, 04:06 PM   #28
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It looks like your own rage prevents you from writing a coherant sentence.

Have you gone public??????? I have...............ON THE RECORD!!!!!

I guess, that is the best I can expect. For a guy who hangs around so many presidents, you dont seem to know very much about our rules. The rule is, you dont speak for cca, unless you are given permission to do so. Authorization only comes from one place. That protects the organization from the wild man rants, false information etc. Web banter is not authorized and frowned on. Most of these conversations turn into a pile of manure.

MPA's were not limited to San Juan Island. The rockfish recovery plan also recommends that 20% of areas 5-13 be designated MPA. Ive been to three of those meeting and we are asked to sign in as cca members, even if we dont speak.
Not only did CCA members speak out against MPA, during the meetings, we also asked for a longer public input period beyond November 19. We were granted that and they scheduled three more meetings which many attended and testified. The dept asked cca to sit down with them and other orgs. to work thru the details of the plan. The proposed meeting turned into a work group, CCA has two members, who will represent the organization in those meetings. The meetings already began in December. When the process is complete, something will be written up for the members and perhaps a news release.

I wonder, have you expressed your outrage with NSIA or NMTA or the ASA for a lack of representation at those meetings, or do you have a special affection for cca? I think the reality, you will have to get use to, is that its not reasonable to expect, cca to be at every meeting about every issue. No other organization is expected to do that. It doesnt stop individual members from testifying, but they cant represent the organization in those meetings, unless they are given permission.

Had you bothered to look, you would easily have found the positions of the National organization. With 5000+ members in Washington, it would be suicide, to support such closures, that are unnecessary and not beneficial to the members or to the general public.

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Represented recreational anglers and their rights during the marine reserve debates. Successfully modified HB 3013 to avoid large arbitrary closures of our coastal waters before it was passed into law.

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Old Dec-25-2009, 06:19 PM   #29
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It looks like your own rage prevents you from writing a coherant sentence.

Have you gone public??????? I have...............ON THE RECORD!!!!! I would think it is clear and coherent (spelled correctly)
I am on the record publicly, here on the NOAA meetings and in the paper . Simply the science sucks and against a closure. Anyone and everyone knows exactly what my position is.
I guess, that is the best I can expect. For a guy who hangs around so many presidents,It would seem that if a person would like to get accurate information go to the top. My discussion with the two at the end of the Friday Harbor meeting, was observed by many who are watching your predictable rhetoric now. I don't hang out with them as, the only interest we seem to have in common is fishing.you dont seem to know very much about our rules. The rule is, you dont speak for cca, So how can you so ignorantly state that CCA did make a statement at the Friday Harbor meeting. I understand the rules very clearly as I pointed out earlier. Hi I'm Bob and I'm a CCA member and in my opinion Members speaking is not to be confused with the CLUB making a statement.............I'm not confused BUT YOU MUST BE IF YOU BELIEVE CCA MADE A STATEMENT AT FRIDAY HARBOR.unless you are given permission to do so. Authorization only comes from one place.The place where no comments come from..........corporate. That protects the organization from the wild man rants, false information etc.False information............really I can prove my statements.........on the record can you or CCA for that matter??? Web banter is not authorized and frowned on.I can see that presenting information that is verifiable should be feared and stopped................WHY??? Most of these conversations turn into a pile of manure. Only when you try to feed us MANURE.

MPA's were not limited to San Juan Island. Finally a true statement..........TODAY. At the time of the NOAA meetings the rockfish closure had not been even been whispered of. So your point is what??? The rockfish recovery plan also recommends that 20% of areas 5-13 be designated MPA. Ive been to three of those meeting and we are asked to sign in as cca members, even if we dont speak.
Not only did CCA members speak out against MPA, during the meetings, we also asked for a longer public input period beyond November 19.Lots of people spoke as individuals...........sadly CCA memebers are forced to also speak as individuals............Why I ask again did CCA not authorize a statement???( at NOAA meetings) We were granted that and they scheduled three more meetings which many attended and testified. The dept asked cca to sit down with them and other orgs. to work thru the details of the plan. The proposed meeting turned into a work group, CCA has two members, who will represent the organization in those meetings. Will this be like North of Falcon meetings...........Where rep's from 3 states and 2 countries are gathered and CCA single handed made for more fishing. Don't get me wrong, yes they were a part of that but not solely responsible or IMO even instrumental. The meetings already began in December. When the process is complete, something will be written up for the members and perhaps a news release.

I wonder, have you expressed your outrage with NSIA or NMTA or the ASA for a lack of representation at those meetings, or do you have a special affection for cca?I have not been aware that any of the groups marketed themselves as a political FISHING CLUB. I think the reality, you will have to get use to, is that its not reasonable to expect, cca to be at every meeting about every issue.I don't expect anything from CCA that is NORTH OF THE COLUMBIA RIVER. No other organization is expected to do that.That is what is needed, a political organazation who simply defends ALL sport fisherman. It doesnt stop individual members from testifying, but they cant represent the organization in those meetings, unless they are given permission.
We already knew this but thank you for making it clear...........for what it is worth. Since members can't inform on the web or speak for the club.
Had you bothered to look, you would easily have found the positions of the National organization.Have them book marked. The club mission really leaves a thousand holes to not help with almost any problem. That is why I question the CCA position if they don't make a statement. Saying nothing is a silent vote for, not against. With 5000+ members in Washington,Let us put that number into view......less then the population of the little hick town of Duvall 5years ago. it would be suicide, to support such closures,And it is not suicide to do nothing, speaking of NOAA. See because as in your own words , " its not reasonable to expect, cca to be at every meeting about every issue.Well I guess this meeting was not to expected even though in your own words suicide that are unnecessary and not beneficial to the members or to the general public.
DO you really think any members or the public could find a San Juan closure beneficial??? Because not going on record against is asilent vote for.
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http://centralpt.com/upload/502/News..._final-web.pdf
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Good luck with your assumptions. You are much too high maintenance, to warrant any more of my time.
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Old Dec-25-2009, 08:43 PM   #31
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Maintenance is just how I feel about your point of view.


Glad to see the members also take the "cone of silence" stance when they can't or won't respond to questions...............The new CCA motto.........silence.


Thank you for protecting the CR(as if I cared less if they poured cement in there, Sound is my concern)
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your 100 percent wrong.
??? Show me where he is wrong ?

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You said that it will displace Gilnetters to AK...
Isnt it a limited entry? Meaning there is a set number of permits allowed ?
Do you have a commercial background?

Am I reading it wrong? Looks like they trying to minimize waste thru new methods? ""adopt gear rules to minimize lethality in the case of released fish.."
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Mo .............Geoff and I had that same discussion about that statement this AM on the phone. SOME of the things with this are good.................some will/could bring an end to family lifestyles.
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Mo .............Geoff and I had that same discussion about that statement this AM on the phone. SOME of the things with this are good.................some will/could bring an end to family lifestyles.
We have been thru it before. Some will survive, some won't.
Less commercial bycatch is a win win for everyone. Every one should adopt better C&R methods.
Maybe I am just not understanding what the website is saying...I just dont see where it will give commercial more quota or less.
Is it bad to limit some fishing to help stock recover? It has worked with some bottom fish.

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I may have missed more comm. quota myself but I didn't read that either. Now if it just included an exchange policy for permits....................It would probably have a chance.
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call the wdfw and ask them 2 questions,

1. when the gillnetters change to a more selective method will they be allowed to catch and keep more fish than they do now.

2. do you plan on asking noaa fisherys to lower the esa take for listed fish in the fisherys that will be using the new selective gear or will you still use all of it.
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