WDFW - Neah Bay Closure

[Slowleak]

Originally Posted by Ducttape

I don't know what the answer is either man. Where is the cca or psa with all this? seems like these are the orgs that we pay to help. they should have the money for the lawyers and such. where are they at the meetings, what are they doing about this?

I'm not aware of anyone working harder on this issue than the CCA volunteers. They make up well over half of the audience in the public meetings, they are providing public testimony, contacting their elected officials, working directly with the Department, attending and speaking at the Commission meetings (including this morning’s), they are requesting their membership to email their concerns and they provide information through these types of forums. Just because they are not out there saying "Hey, look at me I’m CCA!" doesn't mean they are not highly visible and all over it. And I'll throw in this slightly smart ass comment... if you were at the meetings you would know this.


Lawyers are and should be a last resort; lawsuits are expensive and time consuming and they make a bad situation worse by pretty much ending the opportunity for any reasonable discussions to take place.

[blackmouther]

Why do they always assume they can fix 100 years of bullshit by closing fishing grounds to the recreational guys? Puget sound and the pacific ocean soon to be a no access area from the sounds of things.

[goatram]

Bear
I will work on Troy in the morning. I even got him a CCA hat that he can have and wear when he shows up next week to attend the North Everett CCA Chapter meeting at Bayside Marine on the 10th. I on the otherhand will have to be at the Job that night.

[Thrasher_1]

Sick of hearing about all of it. Watch craigslist for a fire sale here very soon. I'm done

[Ducttape]

wow, no doubt, the seed has been planted in many of our heads Corey. The boat search has definately been put on the back burner for me.

[fishrlady]

This is the first I've heard of the Neah Bay closure. Sounds very sneaky. Isn't there a required comment period. How did this one get by so many?

Troy, I'll be at the CCA meeting at Bayside if my cold doesn't turn into the flu. There will be friends at the meeting who charter out of Neah Bay. That's probably the best place to learn the specifics.

[KeyWest]

[QUOTE Lawyers are and should be a last resort; lawsuits are expensive and time consuming and they make a bad situation worse by pretty much ending the opportunity for any reasonable discussions to take place. [/QUOTE]

Your assuming the enviros want any reasonable discussion. I think your naive to assume this will be settled with anything less than a court battle - much like the native american fishing rights.

The longer you deny the court battle, the longer your opponent has an opportunity to set precidence. I'm not a lawyer, don't have dog in the fight in Washington, but have been involved in Oregon for more than a few years.

I would engage in a court battle as soon as possible before a ballot initiative can start and before precidence can be set.

[Plus1]

When fishin is outlawed
This outlaw will be fishin

[fishnazzi]

Originally Posted by Slowleak

I'm not aware of anyone working harder on this issue than the CCA volunteers. They make up well over half of the audience in the public meetings, they are providing public testimony, contacting their elected officials, working directly with the Department, attending and speaking at the Commission meetings (including this morning’s), they are requesting their membership to email their concerns and they provide information through these types of forums. Just because they are not out there saying "Hey, look at me I’m CCA!" doesn't mean they are not highly visible and all over it. And I'll throw in this slightly smart ass comment... if you were at the meetings you would know this.

I have been and they have a hell of a fishing club. Less then 10mins on the "politics" and when I raised my hand then had to shout out my questions only to have them ignored simply brushed off.............hmmmmmmmm. Got the reach around after the meeting wanted to have me become active with club. Great was my response give me a call let me know what I can do....................................still waiting.

Originally Posted by goatram

Bear
I will work on Troy in the morning. I even got him a CCA hat that he can have and wear when he shows up next week to attend the North Everett CCA Chapter meeting at Bayside Marine on the 10th. I on the otherhand will have to be at the Job that night.

John has reminded me to attend I will but not with a hat I can't wear. To much on the different stories chapter to chapter. I have spoken with 3 yes 3 different chapter Presidents.........................seems like 3 completely different clubs with 3 different ideas about what should be getting done. Finally it took literally hours of talking to get the an answer to a simple question...........What is CCA mission and goal. Answer:CONSERVATION not your right to fish but conservation. One even said a complete salmon fishing CLOSURE might be what we need. HHHMMMMMMMMMM that with the cone of silence................SCARES THE SHIT OUT ME. Isn't that how Hitler subdued the jews?????? Might be a little extreme on the comparison but you get the picture..............

Originally Posted by Ducttape

wow, no doubt, the seed has been planted in many of our heads Corey. The boat search has definately been put on the back burner for me.

I also am rethinking if I really want to buy another boat. Might just rebuild and repower Bass ride. Seems like a better bet...............at the moment.

Originally Posted by KeyWest

[QUOTE Lawyers are and should be a last resort; lawsuits are expensive and time consuming and they make a bad situation worse by pretty much ending the opportunity for any reasonable discussions to take place.

Your assuming the enviros want any reasonable discussion. I think your naive to assume this will be settled with anything less than a court battle - much like the native american fishing rights.

The longer you deny the court battle, the longer your opponent has an opportunity to set precidence. I'm not a lawyer, don't have dog in the fight in Washington, but have been involved in Oregon for more than a few years.

I would engage in a court battle as soon as possible before a ballot initiative can start and before precidence can be set.[/QUOTE]

I agree with a lawsuit and as I have said all along a really BIG FUCKING PROTEST.

Originally Posted by Plus1

When fishin is outlawed
This outlaw will be fishin

What more could a guy add??????

[Slowleak]

[QUOTE=KeyWest;1540435
I think your naive to assume this will be settled with anything less than a court battle - much like the native american fishing rights.

.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and that court battle worked out so well for the sportsmen; I stand corrected.

[fishnazzi]

Originally Posted by Slowleak

Yes, and that court battle worked out so well for the sportsmen; I stand corrected.

And the nets will just be voluntarily removed from the river?????? What about the sound and hell even the coast???????

Oh yeah going to replace them with selective fisheries...................only CCA doesn't recognize trollers(comm) as a selective fishery................Isn't that what sport fisherman also do?????? Again what is the real goals and agenda of CCA.



Is there anyone who speak for CCA??????? Not the in my opinion, but for CCA????????

I want to believe but all I have to do is start asking questions .................there is no continuity in this club.


Oh yeah I remember just give us your money and don't ask and we won't tell.

[Plus1]

If I could weigh in...

My initial experience with CCA ~ 18 months ago. I was skeptical about an out of state organization coming into Washington state offering to represent recreational fishermen in the political arena, they just needed local membership.

Now, recreational fishermen in Washington are caught up in a surge, multiple and simultaneous actions are being taken at local, state, and federal government levels with the potential to eliminate substantial (if not all) recreational fishing opportunity. Cloaked in environmental protection, these actions if successful, will provide significant benefit to special interest groups at the expense of sportsmen.

Recognizing what has happened in California and seeing the same now happening in Washington State, I am compelled to do what I can. I joined CCA. As an individual (not representing any group), I posted much information on the fishing web sites to ring the alarm, freely shared data and information to understand the issues, made testimony at public hearings, had private discussions with many interesting people, and on it goes.

My experience with CCA ? After the Orcas closure hearings, I became very concerned about the pending rockfish closures in Puget Sound. I attended a local CCA meeting and explained my story. They listened. Someone described the pending closures as posing greater impact to recreational fishing than the Bolt decision. They took action. They were and continue to be heavily involved with promoting and defending the interests of recreational fishermen in Washington State, rockfish closures and more. Many good people are freely volunteering their time and talent. Words can not express my gratitude and appreciation.

If you do not want to join a club, political action group, or pay membership fees, that is OK by me. If you are concerned and want to help, that is terrific. Your help is desperately needed now to defend recreational fishing in this state. We have many challenges and alternatives ahead of us. I am glad to be on the winning team, look forward to getting the battles behind us, and get back to fishing where I find peace and happiness.

As someone else said to describe this F.U. situation, you are already on the table - might as well sit in the chair and speak your peace.