Differences in Newell "P" and "S" Series Reels

[bfraser]

Is the "P" jsut a beefer reel? I can't really seem to find, or maybe better I don't understand the differences?

[GUERO]

Originally Posted by bfraser

Is the "P" jsut a beefer reel? I can't really seem to find, or maybe better I don't understand the differences?

look through the Newell tutorials. Its been talked about 100 times. P is best, S is so-so. P had all alum parts. While the S has mostly graphite ones.

[fishnRB]

If im not mistaken the biggest thing is the "P" has the aluminum spool, which you can use spectra backing, the graphite cant handle the spectra..

[hucklongfin]

P has aluminum spool, base, bars. Aluminum base and bars against the stainless rings on the sideplates just gives electrolisis a place to grow unless there's a good marine grease in that gap.

Why can't graphite handle spectra? Mono is more of a problem for spools than spectra because mono stretches. Have you ever seen old plastic spooled Jigmasters and Squidders with blown sideplates from mono spread? Spectra doesn't stretch or spread. I've seen Newell aluminum spools that spread and burst the sideplates too... and they were spooled with mono. The tighter the mono the more pressure it puts on the spool.

[fishnRB]

Originally Posted by hucklongfin

P has aluminum spool, base, bars. Aluminum base and bars against the stainless rings on the sideplates just gives electrolisis a place to grow unless there's a good marine grease in that gap.

Why can't graphite handle spectra? Mono is more of a problem for spools than spectra because mono stretches. Have you ever seen old plastic spooled Jigmasters and Squidders with blown sideplates from mono spread? Spectra doesn't stretch or spread. I've seen Newell aluminum spools that spread and burst the sideplates too... and they were spooled with mono. The tighter the mono the more pressure it puts on the spool.

I think the no stretch in Spectra is the issue.....

[iconpyro]

Originally Posted by fishnRB

I think the no stretch in Spectra is the issue.....

Because there is no stretch, all the pressure concentrates on the line squeezing and making the spool capitulate under the pressure. Its like putting heavy duty wire and wrapping it around pvc.

[SpikeCB22]

P is aluminum spool, spacer bars, and handle with stainless reel seat and bearing caps. S is graphite or plastic instead. Aluminum's stronger, but will need more care.

[Jan from Humbol]

The graphite can handle the spectra, spectra doesn't stretch so it will not explode the spool like monofilament can.

However with spectra you can and a lot do today fish the little reels way over their design specs. For instance let's look at the 220 series Newell, cute little reel and a great tool for the lighter end of the fishing spectrum, 12-20 pound line class.

Now load it up say 40-50 spectra and go tuna fishing with it. Halfway through the first or second fish the little reel says "Fuck it, I'm quitting" and does.

Angler looses his fish and the reel now "Blew up" and gets badmouthed all over the internet as a graphite POS. The reel didn't blow up, the idiot reel operator by over stressing the reel put so much stress on the spool assembly he bent the reel spindle.

They are only 1/8" diameter for crying out loud and not designed to take that kind of stress. You can over tax the capabilites of any reel if you try hard enough and yes even an Avet can be destroyed like this.

So the bottom line is graphite spools will and do take spectra with no problems, I fish 40 on my Newells all the time but the topshot is 15 pond mono. and if someone tells you that he had a Newell "Blow up" due to spectra what he's really telling you is that he fucked up the reel and it's his fault it broke.

Hell I've fish Penn 500's with 60 and 80 on them down in Baja, they worked but not for long.

[bfraser]

Thanks for everyone's replies!

Originally Posted by Jan from Humbol

The graphite can handle the spectra, spectra doesn't stretch so it will not explode the spool like monofilament can.

However with spectra you can and a lot do today fish the little reels way over their design specs. For instance let's look at the 220 series Newell, cute little reel and a great tool for the lighter end of the fishing spectrum, 12-20 pound line class.

Now load it up say 40-50 spectra and go tuna fishing with it. Halfway through the first or second fish the little reel says "Fuck it, I'm quitting" and does.

Angler looses his fish and the reel now "Blew up" and gets badmouthed all over the internet as a graphite POS. The reel didn't blow up, the idiot reel operator by over stressing the reel put so much stress on the spool assembly he bent the reel spindle.

They are only 1/8" diameter for crying out loud and not designed to take that kind of stress. You can over tax the capabilites of any reel if you try hard enough and yes even an Avet can be destroyed like this.

So the bottom line is graphite spools will and do take spectra with no problems, I fish 40 on my Newells all the time but the topshot is 15 pond mono. and if someone tells you that he had a Newell "Blow up" due to spectra what he's really telling you is that he fucked up the reel and it's his fault it broke.

Hell I've fish Penn 500's with 60 and 80 on them down in Baja, they worked but not for long.

So If I'm planning on getting a 30 LB rig theoretically I could use a spectra backing 65# on the graphite 332 or 338 with a 30# mono top shot and not worry about this "blowing up" since I'm using the reel for its intended purpose and only using the spectra for the extra capacity?

[Ready4TheYellow]

Originally Posted by bfraser

Thanks for everyone's replies!



So If I'm planning on getting a 30 LB rig theoretically I could use a spectra backing 65# on the graphite 332 or 338 with a 30# mono top shot and not worry about this "blowing up" since I'm using the reel for its intended purpose and only using the spectra for the extra capacity?

Yes you could use 65# spectra on the graphite spool although...when you or whomever you have put the spectra on....DO NOT put the spectra on really tight the first 20 yards cause the spool WILL break. On the P series (Aluminum Spool) it's not a problem. Anything else be careful.

[Jan from Humbol]

Why will the spool break if the first 20 yards is tight?

[Ready4TheYellow]

No clue but I have worked in a shop long enough now to know that the spool will crack. Maybe not 20 yards lets say 7-10 yards minimum..