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Old Jan-05-2008, 04:48 PM   #1
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shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

go to the shimano website and pull up the schematics.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishin...9830570229.pdf

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishin...9830570230.pdf

here's your reel. looks vaguely familiar, doesn't it.

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let's start with the left side. remove the four left side plate screws (key #114).

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inside the left side plate assembly (key #211) is a click spring (key #67) that needs a light coat of grease. you will also find a spool shaft bushing "b" (key #57).

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the bushing is 4x11x4 mm.

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we're going to upgrade this to a bearing and lube it with corrosion x.

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remove the spool (key #110) and find the right spool bearing (key #482).

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this bearing is 6x12x4 mm. we'll clean it with carb cleaner and compressed air, then lube it with corrosion x.

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a light coat of grease goes on the ends of the spool.

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remove the rod clamp assembly and grease the bolts.

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install the spool (key #110).

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install the left side plate assembly (key #211) and left side plate screws (key #114). these few steps are all that are required for routine maintenance of this reel.

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now for the right side. remove the handle nut plate screw (key #128) and handle nut plate (key #2).

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remove the handle nut (key #129) with a 10mm wrench.

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remove the handle (key #414).

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remove the handle washer (key #78) and star (key #79).

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remove the two right side plate screws "b" (key #109).

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remove the four right side plate screws "a" (key #81).

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remove the right side plate assembly (key #209).

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here's a close up of the gear assembly. take particular note of the size and strength of this stainless steel main gear and pinion gear. these are much more heavy duty than the gear sets found in equivalent size trinidads and toriums.

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the washer stack is oriented "()()|B|", with four drag spring washers (key #92), a bearing thrust washer (key #91), an 8x16x5 mm bearing (key #483) and a star drag washer (key #80). remove and set them aside.

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now carefully remove the stainless steel and canvas drag washers, one at a time. i've cleaned them and lined them up for the photo. from left to right is the drive shaft washer (key #100), the drive gear (key #133), the eared washer "b" (key #98), key washer "c" (key #97), drag washer "i" (key #96), eared washer "e" (key #95), drag washer "d" (key #94), and key washer "f" (key #93).

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carbontex drag washers from smoothdrag.com are not available as of 1/2008. if there is sufficient demand, that may change. here are the approximate dimensions of the drag washers.

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and here is a set of penn ht-100 drag washers pulled from my inventory that offer the best fit. from left to right, they are the #6-309, #6-116. #56-440 and #6-440.

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apply a coat of cal's drag grease to all four of the carbon fiber drag washers.

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use an old toothbrush to apply a light coat of grease to the carbon fiber baseplate. install the #6-309 drag washer and the drive gear (key #133).

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install the remaining metal and carbon fiber drag washers.

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install the drag spring washers (key #92) oriented "()()".

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install the bearing thrust washer (key #91).

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grease and install the drive shaft bearing (key #483).

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install the star drag washer (key #80).

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apply a light coat of grease to the inside of the right side plate assembly (key #209).

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install the right side plate, noting the "up" position of the yoke plate (key #259) and "forward" position of the clutch lever (key #132).

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wiggle the clutch lever back a little and the right side plate should seat properly with a snap!

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install the four right side plate screws "a" (key #81).

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install the two right side plate screws "b" (key #109).

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paint a little grease on the drive shaft (key #102). this is a common area for corrosion.

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now, decision time. you have the stock handle (key #414) on the left and two handles that have stock arms and custom grips. these custom grips are made for me by a local machine shop. the tapered grip (key #414M) in the center is prefered by most people. the larger grip (key #414L) is my favorite. since it's my reel, we'll go with the larger grip.

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install the star drag (key #79), the handle washer (key #78), and the new handle (key #414L). put a little grease on the handle arm around the drive shaft.

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install and properly align the 10mm handle nut (key #129).

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install the handle nut plate (key #2) and screw (key #128).

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done!

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now for a few comments. for purposes of checking the drag only, i loaded this reel up with straight 40# mono. i kept on cranking down on the star and got an easy 20#'s of drag. just looking at the frame, i'm guessing that the graphite frame could handle that much pressure with no problem at all. and unlike the shimano trinidad and torium, i see no anti-reverse problems with 20#'s of drag. i think this reel could easily handle 300-350 yards of 60# hollowcore spectra, a short 40-50# topshot, and up to 20#'s of drag.

with greased carbon fiber, the drag washers should last forever. with the bearings cleaned out, it should cast just fine. the graphite frame is nice because it is non-corrosive. and this reel is going to be one of the easiest to service. simply remove the left side plate and you have easy access to both bearings.

there you have it. high speed, easy to upgrade, easy to maintain, spectra worthy with 20#'s of drag, handle upgrade options, and a small well balanced frame. for a graphite star drag, this reel gets my vote for best in it's class.
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Old Jan-23-2008, 10:52 AM   #2
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Re: shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

Just curious, why the different ID on the three drag washers? Never seen that before.
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Old Jan-23-2008, 01:30 PM   #3
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Re: shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

Very cool. Funny how these reels never became as popular as their lever drag brethren.. I wonder if the gears in the Speedmaster are of similar construction? Mine is at a friend's, I may have to open it up later to see where differences lie between that and the 15/30.
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Old Jan-23-2008, 01:48 PM   #4
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Re: shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

The Speedmaster is faster and comes with one more ball bearing(left side frame comes with a bearing instead of a bushing), but the TLD star has larger drags.
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Old Jan-23-2008, 02:36 PM   #5
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Re: shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

GREAT POST...BUT NOW YOU'VE DONE IT...MY OLD 20/40 WILL END UP ON THE
WORK BENCH SOME RAINY NIGHT SOON...TO DO SAME. THANKS! lol
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Old Jan-23-2008, 05:00 PM   #6
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Re: shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

there's a lip on the inside of the main gear. that's why the difference. they are amazingly easy reels to work on. go for it! alan
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Old Jan-24-2008, 12:35 PM   #7
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Re: shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

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The Speedmaster is faster and comes with one more ball bearing(left side frame comes with a bearing instead of a bushing), but the TLD star has larger drags.
Yeah, just wondering if the main and pinion gear will be of the same grade construction, since they'll undoubtedly be differently sized due to the difference in gear ratio

If they're the same size then more teeth on the same sized gears will mean smaller teeth and less strength.. But if the quality of materials is the same then I'll be happy enough.

Gonna rebuild mine before the weekend and I'll report in here so you guys will have the info
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Old Jan-24-2008, 06:29 PM   #8
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Re: shimano tld star 15/30 rebuild

Very nicely done!!
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Old Apr-29-2008, 11:26 PM   #9
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Openned up a 20/40 the otherday and the speedmaster gear and pinion dropped right in. Looks to be the same type stainless construction and the drags fit just the same. With the leftside bushing and drag swap (HTs) now you got a stronger Speedmaster. And this will be the same for the 15/30 (narrow).
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Old Apr-30-2008, 03:38 AM   #10
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Wow, thanks for taking the time to generate a write up on that. I have a TLD that is or was my least favorite reel. Ill see about opening it up and making it better like you did.
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Old May-30-2008, 12:27 AM   #11
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Alan I noticed the HT440 drag washer's OD is a little smaller than the stock drag washer's OD. And the thick key washer is a conical type washer. Theres very little contact area with the 440 washer. I can see the grease line only about an 8th of an inch in. Can the #6-116 take its place or will it move around, off center itself and bind. Is the 6-116 a perfect fit in the drive gear? We might be able to get more drag pressure if we found the perfect washer to fit. IMO. Thanks Alan.
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Old Jul-03-2008, 06:58 PM   #12
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Handle - key # 414L

Hi Alan,
Sent you a PM re a handle upgrade for my Penn GS 545 and when I saw this thread I noted the number of the handle needed. Is the 414L available?
Thanks,
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