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Old Dec-06-2008, 08:12 PM   #1
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Thru hull for FURUNO 620??

I'VE GOT A 21FT BAYRUNNER,I'm buying a 620 but can't decide what transducer to run.The ones I'm considering are B60 tilted element,these come in bronze and plastic.The 525ST bronze with speed/temp.Or the 525T temp only.I really like the idea of the low profile tilted element.But I question the performance of these new ducers. Any feedback on this issue would be great!!! Thanks Dale
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Old Dec-07-2008, 08:40 AM   #2
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Dale, First off please don't use a metal ducer. Your hull will not like it at all. If the plastic has a tilted element it will make your install easier. No need to make a fairing block to get the ducer looking down insted off to the side a bit. I am not familiar with the B60 but that would be my guess as to why it is tilted.
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Old Dec-07-2008, 10:08 AM   #3
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I have the b164 for my 585 and very satisfied with its performance.
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don't the Tilted ducers come in 2 angles - 8 deg and 16 deg. or something close to that? I was initally considering this ducer for my 585 and ended up installing the B260 1K watt thru hull & high speed fairing block...I can go 28 knots and read the bottom crystal clear....the dead rise on my hull is 8 deg. so I could have used a tilted 8 deg. model and it would have been dead nuts pointed straight down...what is the dead rise on your hull?

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Old Dec-07-2008, 11:51 AM   #5
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The B60 would be a good choice. As has been said plastic is best for your tinny. IMO the speed option is a waste.
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The B60 would be a good choice. As has been said plastic is best for your tinny. IMO the speed option is a waste.
the speed is an indicator of the quality of the set-up= xlnt signal return, no turbulance etc.; you can cover greater distance looking for fish or structure at a faster speed; I think what's important when using the B60 option is the dead rise on the hull, if its on or close to what the tilt angle of the ducer element is, your good; everything I have come across puts the B260 thru hull above the B60 performance wise, but it boils down to what you expect from your system and what works good for you.
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the speed is an indicator of the quality of the set-up= xlnt signal return, no turbulance etc.; you can cover greater distance looking for fish or structure at a faster speed; I think what's important when using the B60 option is the dead rise on the hull, if its on or close to what the tilt angle of the ducer element is, your good; everything I have come across puts the B260 thru hull above the B60 performance wise, but it boils down to what you expect from your system and what works good for you.
I think we are talking the speed sender (paddlewheel) on the transducer. IME it often fails faster than the temp pickup. Now that I think about it I believe that for both the B60 and B164 you need separate speed and/or temp sensors anyway. Also the B60 is bronze only. Again IIRC the 319 is plastic with the same specs and the 555 is stainless and comes with the things needed to isolate it from the hull. Your certainly correct about the advantage of a good install. Better readings at more speed. IIRC the B60/319/555 comes either 12 or 20 degree deadrise. I forget how much variance there is but IIRC it is 2-3 degrees - meaning a 12 degree transducer offset is good for a hull deadrise from 9 to 15 degrees. Your correct that technically the 260 is a better xducer but that is a pretty big underwater hunk for a tin boat. Add it that it is a little bit of overkill for the 620. Not that I am against the 260 at all., Just sayin that those things coupled with the price difference make the
B60/319/555 a very good choice. As always YMMV!!
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I think we are talking the speed sender (paddlewheel) on the transducer. IME it often fails faster than the temp pickup. Now that I think about it I believe that for both the B60 and B164 you need separate speed and/or temp sensors anyway. Also the B60 is bronze only. Again IIRC the 319 is plastic with the same specs and the 555 is stainless and comes with the things needed to isolate it from the hull. Your certainly correct about the advantage of a good install. Better readings at more speed. IIRC the B60/319/555 comes either 12 or 20 degree deadrise. I forget how much variance there is but IIRC it is 2-3 degrees - meaning a 12 degree transducer offset is good for a hull deadrise from 9 to 15 degrees. Your correct that technically the 260 is a better xducer but that is a pretty big underwater hunk for a tin boat. Add it that it is a little bit of overkill for the 620. Not that I am against the 260 at all., Just sayin that those things coupled with the price difference make the
B60/319/555 a very good choice. As always YMMV!!
I agree with you, the B260 is "agressive" and Airmar even states it's typically for hulls 26' and above, but IMO, I think they just didn't want to promote it for smaller hull lengths because install issues could be problematic and Airmar didn't want to deal with that...I'm happy with the B260 set-up I have and its worked out good for my 18', but I can see the installation advantages being an offset to performance variations with the tilted ducer....are we answering his question?
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I agree with you, the B260 is "agressive" and Airmar even states it's typically for hulls 26' and above, but IMO, I think they just didn't want to promote it for smaller hull lengths because install issues could be problematic and Airmar didn't want to deal with that...I'm happy with the B260 set-up I have and its worked out good for my 18', but I can see the installation advantages being an offset to performance variations with the tilted ducer....are we answering his question?
I agree that they may not market it to the small boat crowd partially due to the possible mounting issues. Also the reality is that most people in "smaller" boats are not that dedicated and would not spend the $$ for the quality xducer that the 260 is. Certainly don't get me wrong. I am a big fan of the 260. Until you step up to 2kW or more then IMO it is the best choice if cost (or mounting) is not an issue. As far as the difference in the mounting offsetting the transducer quality maybe a little. The quality of the crystals and the effect of using separate crystals for the different frequencies in the 260 blows away the lesser B60 by quite a bit. Even if you use a M260 in most hulls it will still blow away the B60.

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After a little more reading the B60 comes in 12 or 20 degree tilt. Looks like the B117, P319 and the SS555 all share the same crystal as the B60 but those three do not have any tilt to the element. There is a stainless B60 so if you need the tilt then there is the stainless option. With the Bayrunner IIRC it is 9 degrees deadrise at the transom so looks like a 12 degree B60 would be the closest fit. The cone angle for the B60 family is 12 degrees at 200 kHz and 45 @ 50 kHz so you COULD get away with maybe 2 degrees from straight up and down and still do OK. You could also shim it with a thin angled washer and correct any angle but getting it perfectly straight up and down is somewhat mute when you consider any rock and roll the boat is doing on the water and any list the boat has due to load. Being somewhat of a perfectionist I might try to shim it since it is more than 2 degrees off. If you do want to try that drop me a PM. I work with plastics and could cut you some shims to try. Of course the furrther forwar it is mounted then the closer to 12 degrees it will be so it may be perfect depending on where it ends up fore/aft.

Certainly depends on what kind of performance your willing to pay for but being an aluminum hull does restrict your options somewhat and/or increases the cost. The next step up in the flush mount is the B164 which is available in stainless. It is certainly better than the B60 but is considerably larger and costlier. All that said until you step up to 1kW fishfinder I think you will be happy with the B60. All the B60 varients are available with the temp sensor. If you want better then spend the money and go with the stainless B164. Here is a link to the Airmar cross reference:

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You can cross reference the Furuno numbers with thier Airmar numbers.
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I can't comment about the new transducers available these days, but I've had this prototype Airmar- SS threaded shaft with shrink tubing to isolate it from the aluminum and a plastic head that bolts to stainless plate that's welded to the threaded shaft (don't know if it ever made it to market) on my 22' cuddy Baja Bayrunner(same as yours?) since '96.
Coupled to a Furuno 500w 1800 single 200 freq. FF/GPS and still reads at 20knts.
Have it mounted approx. 10-11" from the stern and 15" from the SB chine between the ribs. Accessible from the top by removing the corner floor panel.
I agree with sickcat about the speed sensor. Mine broke within a year.

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