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the daiwa 50h rebuild
the daiwa 50h rebuild
Published by alantani
Jan-24-2006
the daiwa 50h rebuild

these are great little 30# reels. to rebuild the old daiwa sealine 50h, you need four penn ht-100 drag washers. one is part #6-855 from the old discontinued penn 855 line counter. three are part #6-114, from the black side plate 6/0 penn 114. i just now found this great place called mike's reel repair while i was looking for the schematic for this reel. here's the link to the schematic. thank you mike, wherever you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schem...wa%20SL50H.pdf
here's a photo of a 50h from a good friend of mine.


the first thing i like to do with these is pull the left ring and grease it underneath, then grease all the screw holes.

the left ring goes back on, and the right side plate comes off. three side plate screws is all you need.

lube the left side plate bearing, put a little grease on the clicker and spring. next to come off are the the handle lock screw (key #52), the handle screw (key #51), the handle (key #50), the handle washer (key #49), the star drag (key #48) and the drag spring washers (key #47).

back out the four set plate screws (key #35). at this point, the reel goes "boing" and you're committed!

boing! lube the right side plate bearing now.

here's a shot of the jack assembly after it has been cleaned up, and the drag washer assembly prior to cleaning. note all of the oil in the drag washers. it was no wonder the drags were sticky.

now i've cleaned everything up and switched out the stock drag washers for the penn ht-100 drag washers. the drag washers are still dry at this point.

the drag washers were then greased and set plate assembly was put back together. it's a basic three-stack similar to what you see in the jack erskine picture below. thank you, mr. erskine!!!!!!!!!

the four set plate screws (key # 35) go back in.

place your left index and middle fingers over the four screws and flip the side plate over. with your fingers covering and holding the screws in place, you can work with the side plate and not worry about the screws falling out. same with the penns.

install the two clutch springs (key #26).

install the pinion yoke (key #25) and the pinion gear (key #21) as a unit.

install the eccentric jack (key #24).

install the set plate/gear/drag washer assembly as a unit and rotate it 90 degrees counter clockwise from it's final position.

install the anti-reverse claw (key #33).

rotate the set plate assembly 90 degrees clockwise and push it down and in place.

tighten down the set plate screws.

install the anti-reverse claw spring (key #32).

install the all part key #'s 46 through 52 in order and you're done! congratulations, it's miller time. with this particular reel, i drilled out the old grip and installed one of my custom off-set tapered grips. i spooled it up with 30# mono and got a max of 15#'s of drag at the top of the spool. i backed off the drags, boxed it up and sat down to type this report. elapsed time, 2 hours.
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Stanley on Jan-24-2006, 11:10 AM
Re: the daiwa 50h rebuild

Excellent tutorial!

I always read with interest your write-ups (I never re-build my own reels )...but I always read your stuff.

Thanks.
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Kurt on Jan-24-2006, 11:18 AM
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Nice. Wish I'da known you needed a fifty to use for this
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kimorb on Jan-24-2006, 11:20 AM
Re: the daiwa 50h rebuild

Why do you grease the drag washers ? I usually spend a lot of time trying to keep the grease out of the drag, seems to work better in the abus and penns I have pulled apart ? Does it make it work better ?
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Fishrdan on Jan-24-2006, 11:37 AM
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Nice handle conversion, where did you get the handle or the material for the handle? It looks like you turned a peice of plastic on a lathe to make the shape, if so good show!

I would like to do the same if you don't mind sharing your secrets ;-)
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Baja Dreamer on Jan-24-2006, 07:24 PM
Re: the daiwa 50h rebuild

I agree that the reel is a great 30lb. outfit and I have even used 40lb. on them occasionaly. They also have great longevity with minimal care.

But I am curious as to why you would want to use the greased HT 100s in this reel? It already has undersized drags and you will loose top end drag with them as opposed to using the stock Diawa drags which are still available and worked quite nicely in this reel.


FISH HARD!

Chris
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alantani on Jan-24-2006, 07:54 PM
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i've had great luck with greased drags. they seem to stay smooth for a very, very, long time. i also checked the top end drag on this reel and got a very smooth 15 pounds at the top of the spool. it's my experience that dry drags stick at these higher ranges. try it some time and let me know what you think. oh, and you have to use a teflon grease such as shimano star drag grease or cal's grease. hydrocarbon greases will seize almost immediately.

again, this reel benched out at 15 pounds.
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Baja Dreamer on Jan-24-2006, 08:22 PM
Re: the daiwa 50h rebuild

Uh Alan?

I have tried it many times and on a wide variety of reels. (I only do reel service, repair, and upgrades as part of my living. ) I also use the Shimano Ace grease as well as Cal's grease and have been doing so since it became available. I also experimented with others before using either of these.

The dry drags that I have had the most trouble with sticking were the low end SmOooth Drag replacements for this reel as well as others which is why I no longer use them unless nothing else is available for a particular reel. I have not had a problem with the Diawa factory drags being "sticky" at all nor have I had any complaints about that from my customers.

All of my personal reels are wet drag and have been for some time now, (Some for over ten years!), and I agree that they are smoother, particularlyat the start where dry drags often give a "pop" before letting line out at higher drag settings. My question was more about this reel in particular since the stock drags were already quite good to start with IMO.


FISH HARD!

Chris
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alantani on Jan-24-2006, 09:20 PM
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sorry, i didn't know that. i'm new to the board. i'm just a pharmacist. this reel stuff is a hobby that just got badly out of control.

whenever a reel comes across the bench, i always look for a carbon fiber drag washer to fit it. and i always use shimano drag grease. i've done up a whole bunch like this. i've been able to put a shimano tld 20/30 drag washer in a single speed tld 20/25. actually, i've been able to adapt grease carbon fiber drag systems to every single reel i've ever come across. well, the one exception had always been the trinidad/torium line, but the carbontex drag washers took care of that. personally, my 4/0 senators have been in service for 7-8 years and are still perfectly smooth. i really enjoy working on this stuff. it's been great fun!

as far as the stock daiwa drags go, i personally would never use them. i only know what i see, and i've seen lots of daiwa drags, both the cardboard type and the felt type, fail dismally. i'm glad to hear that your experience has been different. hey, if you've got a 50h laying around somewhere, maybe give this a try. i would be very interested in your opinion.
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Baja Dreamer on Jan-24-2006, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by alantani
as far as the stock daiwa drags go, i personally would never use them. i only know what i see, and i've seen lots of daiwa drags, both the cardboard type and the felt type, fail dismally. i'm glad to hear that your experience has been different. hey, if you've got a 50h laying around somewhere, maybe give this a try. i would be very interested in your opinion.

I've never had a problem with the stock, (Cardboard?), drags, either in my own reels or a customer's reel. The "H" series Sealine drags only had problems when the drags were oil soaked due to over lubrication, usually through the handle nut oiler by the owner. They would also stick from leaving the drag star buttoned down after use. Although I don't use the reels myself any more, they are used as loaners by friends and customers and I've never had a drag failure with them. I actually liked these washers because you could "resurface" them with a light sanding and they could be degreased and reinstalled if needed on a trip.

Likewise, I have not personally had a failure with the impregnated felt washers like those found on the SLX series reels. One of my favorite reels and one of my best sellers since it came on the market is the SLX 40 HV. The one I use is first year production and it is still on it's original drags! This reel has caught BF to 45lbs., Albies and Yellowtail to 30lbs., and a wide variety of other species as well. The only maintenance it has recieved since I got it is a drop or two of M Pro 7 in the bearings once in a while since I won it in a story/photo contest and decided to see how much abuse it could take. Like a Timex watch, it has takin' a lickin' and kept on tickin'!

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the functionality of wet carbon fibre drags and I thought that the new Carbontex drags from SmOooth Drag were the best thing that ever happened to my 500 series Newells. But I just can't see arbitrarily changing out the drags on every reel I look at and in fact I have customers who don't want them installed on their reels. After a while it just doesn't pay to argue with them.

It also just isn't economicaly practical for me to try and stock drags for converting all reels in this manner. If someone wants it done, I'll find the right washers. But I don't just do it or even suggest it on all reels.


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Chris
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pargon on Mar-22-2006, 10:34 AM
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The problem that I have had with 2 different 50H's is the dog disengageing it's gear when fish running under pressure. I have examined the spring and it's pressure seems good, and I have examined the dog's engaging surface and gear teeth. All seem to be in good shape, but problem continues. Any thoughts? I have had these reels for a long time and would like to continue their faithful service. These reels were the first that I know about to incorporate a one piece frame in an "everyday" reel, years ahead of the competition.
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alantani on Mar-22-2006, 11:03 AM
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one bridge screw goes through the dog. perhaps try backing that one off a quarter turn. it's a little tricky because you can't make it too loose or too tight. the fit has to be exact.
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Stuart on Mar-22-2006, 02:45 PM
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Excellent write-up!!

As someone who fishes four 450H's, two 910 Rockcod Specials, and a 900, this is some GREAT information. They are pretty much identical to this, just bigger versions.

As mentioned above, I have also sanded down the stock drag washers to clean them up and they work fine. Had a marlin nearly spool all the 80 spectra off a 450H. Reel was so damned hot it burned me when I picked it up. Tore it down after that trip and the washers were pretty black. Scuffed them up with some sandpaper and they were good to go again.

I have used older Smooth drags in some of my reels as I've taken them apart and rebuilt them, but haven't tried the Carbotex stuff you mention. Oh well, next season -- I've got too many other projects to get done for this season.
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Day0ne on Feb-06-2008, 08:33 AM
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i've had great luck with greased drags. they seem to stay smooth for a very, very, long time. i also checked the top end drag on this reel and got a very smooth 15 pounds at the top of the spool. it's my experience that dry drags stick at these higher ranges. try it some time and let me know what you think. oh, and you have to use a teflon grease such as shimano star drag grease or cal's grease. hydrocarbon greases will seize almost immediately.

again, this reel benched out at 15 pounds.
I rebuilt 4 of these (well 3 were smf-250's) and can only get 5-6 lbs of drag. What did I do wrong? Most were early 80's reels and the stock drag washers looked thicker than the Penn ones. Thanks


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