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Old Sep-15-2008, 01:32 AM   #37
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1708 was stapled to the sides because it was going to be difficult to hold it in place just with the resin.
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A view from the inside, cutting the biaxial on the window so it would wrap around the window frame.
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Fitting the windows, holding them with whatever I had in hand. The frame for the windows was constructed around the windows, letting enough space for the fiberglass and gelcoat that was to cover the wood.
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Here you can see that the side walls and aft-side-walls have been fiberglassed.
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Framing around the windows
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Got late... but we have to finish this stage...
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A view from the inside
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Started fiberglassing the inside of the walls.
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The braces for the middle part of the roof had to be reinforced, here comes the biaxial
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The following morning the pilot house looks like its taking shape
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Used filler (resin + cabosil 40% + bubles 60%) to provide a better surface for the biaxial that was to come up front
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The "dashboard" was not working for me because it was not leveled, so it had to go...
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Here is the new one fiberglassed in
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Started working on the sterndrive, the drive had to go, old OMC cobra
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Started digging into the wood of the transom and found that it was soaked and there was no end to it...
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Decided it was better to take it all out and rebuild the transom.
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Found soaked foam under the engine supports/blocks, they too had to go...
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Up to this point here is how it looked
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This is not finished, will continue on the next post....

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In the meantime I was also working on the helm, trying to use the old helm... here is how it was in the beginning
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Using wax paper so the fiberglass will "release" easily
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The fiberglass layers, 1708, mat, woven roving (left from previous project)
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Filled holes
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Reinforced the previous holes as this area was destined for the controls. You can also see there was a gap atop the helm, that had to be covered
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Wanted a reinforced extension on the lower part to hold the steering wheel.
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Wax paper for the easy release
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Finished laying the fiberglass
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After taking the wax-paper off
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After cutting off Santa's Beard
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Until the next update....

Josh out...
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Old Sep-15-2008, 01:58 AM   #38
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Now that you know all about trailers you wanna do mine next? And pay for too

Edit: When I posted about the trailer I hadn't read the whole post. Awesome job!! Keep the pics coming.

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Old Sep-15-2008, 09:09 AM   #39
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Love the photos, trailer and boat... how hard was the gel coat to apply?
Also does it absorb and hold water?
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Old Sep-15-2008, 09:23 AM   #40
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dang Josh, way to jump in with both feet...sorry to see you had to run into that transome issue...looking forward to seeing more, good luck
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Old Sep-15-2008, 09:27 AM   #41
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Keep the pictures coming! Enjoy watching the re-build! I've even showed the buddies at work!
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Old Sep-15-2008, 11:19 AM   #42
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Outstanding rebuild report, thank you and keep the pic's coming.
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Old Sep-15-2008, 06:02 PM   #43
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Love seeing your work...keep it coming!!!
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Old Sep-15-2008, 09:24 PM   #44
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Love the pictures. Keep up the good work. Look forward to the updates.
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Old Sep-15-2008, 10:09 PM   #45
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relhak,

>how hard was the gel coat to apply?
The surface has to be sanded to the same point as you would do for paint. We used a spray gun with a 2.0mm tip, a cheap one bought at harbor tools, $15, have used 3 of them so far. The main thing with gelcoat is that you have to control the batch size (with the hardner) so that it won't cure on your spray gun. You need a low pressure high volume spray gun, about 35psi, and you have to play with the adjustments of the gun until you get it right before applying to the working area. You need a couple of layers, 3-6 depending on the thickness of each layer, on some areas where the finishing was not that important like doing the engine compartment vs the hull, we did 3 heavy layers on the engine compartment, in the hull we did 6 thin layers. The gelcoat is too thick/heavy, so you will need a thinning agent, styrene monomer, I added 3oz per 64oz batch. I was adding color, 8cc of mustard yellow per 64oz gelcoat, on the hardner side, MEKP, we used a low ratio to give us time to work, 7.5 to 10cc per 64oz batch depending on the days condition (cold, hot, overcast, sunny). Ultraviolet rays speeds the cure of resin and gelcoat, so sometimes its necesary to shade the area your working on, we did this when we put the fiberglass on the transom (inside the boat).

>Also does it absorb and hold water?
Gelcoat by nature is a barrier against water penetration. In the real world none of the resins (including epoxy) are 100% water resistant, but they are the next best thing. The resin I used, ISO resing, also called tooling resin is used to make molds, and some manufacturers use it to build boats, it cost 50% more than poly-resin but is much much better, I did the research. Normally it is also used to repair blisters because of its high water resistant properties, just like epoxy -maybe 99% like epoxy for those purists. So using ISO resin and gelcoat pretty much covers it as far as a barrier against absorbing water. One thing to remember is that gelcoat does not adhere to epoxy, epoxy does on the other hand adhere to gelcoat. So if you are doing a repair and want to cover it with gelcoat then use ISO resin.

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Benny (ben88888), In my first post I said I was going to purchase a new boat, the boat I seatrailed was a Defiance 250EX.... NICE BOAT.... congrats on your new boat

Josh... Getting ready to make another update tonight....
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Old Sep-15-2008, 10:17 PM   #46
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did your boat used to be in point loma near west marine?
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Old Sep-15-2008, 10:33 PM   #47
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Rick, I don't think so, not this boat, because I bough it in 2001 in LA and I've had it in Tijuana, Baja, since 2001.

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Old Sep-16-2008, 12:17 AM   #48
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Tonight's Update...

A nice view from the top... getting ready to finish fiberglassing the exterior, we did 3 layers total, 1708, mat, cloth (finish). All the cabin except the inside of the roof ended up with the same layup, 1708 + mat + cloth. Well the forward "braces" (two thin pieces of wood between the three windows) had 3 layers of biaxial, and ended up being super strong.
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The roof was done in three sections, first section is finished with mat and then cloth
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Second section finished and first section covered with cabosil. Cabosil is a powder that is used to make thickned resin, like a paste, it's the filler used in boat-fiberglassing. This cabosil layer ended up being kind of thick, we would pay the price latter when sanding all of this smooth. The cabosil mixture is very hard, so sanding it take a lot of time. Gealcoat is softer. Another way of doing this would be to add glass-bubbles and cabosil, the paste is not as hard and easy to sand. I used about 20% bubbles here, not much, and 80% cabosil.
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Here is another angle of the second section finished, For those non-believers out there... I like the view of the ocean from up-top....
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You can see how the [mat + cloth] comes together really nice to provide a very smooth surface on which we put some of that cabosil paste later on.
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Another view of the side and fore PH, heavy coat of cabosil up top.
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A view of the aft Pilot House with cabosil. It is better to put the cabosil paste once the fiberglass starts to cure but is not fully cured, this way you get a better chemical bond between fiberglass and cabosil. Whenever possible we did this.
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Luan is cheap 3/16" thick plywood used to cover the sides of those cheap hollow doors... anyway, Luan was used to make a template that was later used to cut two 3/4" marine plywood 4x8 sheets used as core for the transom.
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Notice how the engine compartment has disapeared, gone completly, we ended up removing all of this because we found soft spots on the floor, some root areas, and poor construction/repair. I wanted a very firm area back here as this is the most important part of the boat, where all the stress from the weight of the engine / bait tank will be.

Fitting the template and making final adjustments....
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First plywood goes in, cleaned the area first with acetone so the resin will adhere better, put a thick layer of cabosil and screw the plywood from the outside. The screws help pull the plywood to the outer skin (fiberglass) that was still left from the original structure.
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A view from the outside
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Screws were removed, a layer of mat was placed between the 3/4" marine plywood sheets and a very generous layer of cabosil to fill the gaps. After this 2nd plywood was set, again we used screws to pull the plywood shut against the previous plywood.

The screws were removed again and the holes left by the screws were all drilled bigger (1/4), these were filled with cabosil from the inside, these tape pieces helped keep the cabosil in the holes, cabosil was inserted into each hole with a syringe.
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A look at that second plywood in place, now with the screws out, but they haven't been filled with cabosil yet.
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Getting the materials ready, just cutting the fiberglass took a couple of hours, all of this prep was done a day before this was scheduled to begin because I knew this was going to be a long day of fiberglassing.
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First layer of 1708 goes in... George and myself worked in-sync to finish this one up, I used the roller, and he used the brush to do the details, on every layer, we started at the same time and ended at the same time, I prepared the resin in 32oz batches. We had to cover the working area from the sun, I explained this a bit early on a reply.
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There is George finishing that side on the second layer of 1708
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Showing a little detail
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A layer of 24oz woven roving going in after a mat
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Another layer of 1708, notice how the sides, all around, get longer with each layer, each layer is "longer" the previous one, this is the way to do it.
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Final layer going in... another 1708. A total of 8 layers were used 6-1708's, one 1.5oz mat, one 24oz woven roving, one pail of resin.
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This is how it looked when we finished laying up the 8 layers, after 7.5 hours, non-stop. 1/2 % MEKP was used, on the hardner side, so that the thick layup would not "over-cure" or it would be toast. Also the lenght of time that it took us also helped this last issue.
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This is how it looks the following day all cured (dried up)
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I wanted to be able to walk from the cockpit to the bow going thru the sides of the cabin. I needed more than 2.5" to support a persons feet while doing this. So away with the gelcoat so the new fiberglass will adhere to the old fiberglass.
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I wouldn't call these molds, they are more like fixtures to help form the extensions, which I call gunners, don't ask why just go with it. When building something for a boat you want to keep the weight to the minimum and the strenght to the max. To comply with this, I made the cores of two-part foam, and covered them with fiberglass. Pix shows what I mean.
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Tape helps keep the two-part foam mixture inside the chamber
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Foam goes in.... Foam expands
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Remove the wood supports and cut away the excess foam
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Work the foam to make the radius, sanded down with 80grit by hand being careful not to over-do-it
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Two layers of 1708 finish this stage.
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Enjoy...
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