Super bars for salmon

[johndtuttle]

Originally Posted by Sam Salmon

Yes and No.

Sockeye Salmon are filter feeders and they can be tricked into striking a slow trolled small Black or Pink something close behind a flasher so they'd probably go for the Superbar as well.

Time wil tell!

I think you're on the right track but seeing as they hit a 'bait fish' imitation i looked up this from Fairbanks US Fish and Wildlife Service (cuz i kno nuttin' bout sockeye).

Life History
Adult sockeyes return to spawn between July and October. Spawning occurs most commonly in streams that connect to lakes. The female deposits between 2,500 to 4,300 eggs in 3 to 5 redds that are fertilized by the male. Spawning can take place over three to five days. Hatching occurs from mid-winter to early spring, and fry emerge from the gravel between April and June. Most of the fry swim to a lake and reside there for one to two – or rarely three or four years before going to sea. Smolts initially stay close to the shore and feed on insects and plankton. Once they move offshore, their diet turns mainly to amphipods, copepods, squid, and some fish. Most sockeyes stay at sea for two years, returning to spawn in their fourth year, but some may be five or six.

Anyways, i just use the big fish eat little fish rule unless they're really big fish and are known to be plankton strainers like whales, basking sharks etc. Now, its your job to catch a Sockeye on a Spider Bar and make Captain Archer proud!...

[Fred Archer]

MAN, IT IS REALLY GOOD TO SEE SO MANY OF YOU FINDING OUT HOW INCREDIBLY DEADLY THE SPIDERS ARE ON SO MANY DIFFERENT SPECIES OF FISH. AND IT IS LIKEWISE GOOD TO SEE THE FULL UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE FOR JUST WHY THEY WORK SO WELL. THE BOTTOM LINE IS SIMPLE; THEY ARE THE ONLY LURES THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN THAT MIMIC WHAT PREDATOR FISH OF ALL KINDS SEEK AND ATTACK ALL OF THE DAYS OF THEIR LIVES - SCHOOLS OF BAIT SOME OF YOU ARE ALSO TUNED INTO THE SIMPLE, NATURAL FACT THAT BAIT UNIVERSALLY TRAVELS IN SCHOOLS - NOT AS SINGLE INDIVIDUALS, WHICH IS WHAT SINGLE LURES REPRESENT, WHERE THEY FIND THE LITTLE SAFETY THAT EXISTS FOR THEM. ANY SCHOOL MEMBERS THAT FALL BEHIND ARE THE NUMBER ONE TARGETS OF GAMEFISH OF ALL KINDS...AND SO, THE TRAILING CHASEBAIT. AND SO, GET IT ANYWHERE NEAR ANY OF THE GAMEFISH IN QUESTION AND, WHAM...HOOKUP!

SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT SPIDERS THAT YOU HAVE TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE THINGS ARE SUCH DEVASTATING FISH CATCHERS HAS TO DO WITH THE "SOUND" THAT ALL OF THAT BAIT MAKES AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE WATER. MANY FISHERMEN FORGET THAT FISH "HEAR" BY FEELING VIBRATIONS THROUGH THEIR INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE LATERAL LINE. AND SOUND VIBRATIONS TRAVEL FAR AND WIDE IN WATER TO OUR EAR, BUT THEY TRAVEL MUCH FURTHER TO FISH "EARS'' AND ARE A HUGELY IMPORTANT KEY TO THEM LOCATING THE SCHOOLS OF PREY (THERE IT IS AGAIN) THAT MAKE THOSE SUBTLE-TO-US, BUT NOT THE FISH SOUNDS.

THIS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT DODGERS AND FLASHERS AND ALL OF THAT ARE NOT NECCESSARY AT ALL TO ATTRACT FISH TO SPIDER SCHOOLS (THERE'S THAT WORD AGAIN). THIS IS THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT SOME OF THOSE WHO HAVE FISHED SPIDERS HAVE ARRIVED AT TOO. NOT ALL OF THEM. VULPINUS BEING ONE. BUT THAT GOOSE GUY, WHO IS KNOWN TO BE ONE HELLUVA HALIBUT FISHERMAN, HAS GONE FROM A FLASHER (OR DODGER, OR SPINNER, OR WHATEVER; I'M NOT SCHOOLED IN USING THOSE THINGS), TO JUST THE PLAIN SPIDERS AND UNLESS YOU KNEW THIS GUY, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE THE HALIBUT HE IS CATCHING WITHOUT THE EXTRA HARDWARE THAT HE USED TO RUN ON THE SINGLE LURES THAT HE USED TO FISH WITH. I ACTUALLY KIND OF BELIEVE THAT THE VIBRATIONS PUT OUT BY THOSE THINGS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE OVERPOWERING THE MORE SUBTLE AND NATURALLY ATTRACTIVE BAIT SCHOOL SOUNDS THAT A POD OF SPIDERS MAKES. TIME WILL TELL ON THIS ONE AS MORE AND MORE EXPERIMENTALLY MINDED FISHERMEN FISH THE SPIDERS.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS. I HAVE BEEN IN THE THICK OF THE FISHING TACKLE BUSINESS FOR MOST OF MY LIFE. IN ALL OF THAT TIME, I HAVE ONLY PERSONALLY SEEN ONE OTHER LURE COME ON THE SCENE AND START CATCHING FISH SO DRAMATICALLY...IT WAS THE ORIGINAL RAPALA. AND THAT WAS ONE HELLUVA LONG TIME AGO! I WILL ALSO SAY THAT, ALTHOUGH I PROBABLY WON'T BE AROUND TO SEE IT, SPIDERS ARE GOING TO WIND UP BEING USED BY JUST ABOUT EVERY FISHERMAN OUT THERE, NO MATTER WHAT HE FISHES FOR OR WHERE.

NOW, BLUEFIN DOWN. HOW DO I PUT THIS? UH, "UNAWARE" FISHERMEN RUNNING AROUND ABOVE THEM DRAGGING LURES THAT ARE FAR LARGER THAN THE BAIT THAT THE FISH ARE EATING IN THE FIRST PLACE. IN THE SECOND, THE ONES WHO ARE RUNNING LURES THAT COME CLOSE TO MATCHING THE HATCH ARE NOT ONLY RUNNING THEM UP ON TOP, WHERE THE BAIT AND THE TUNA AREN'T, MOST OF THE TIME, THEY ARE RUNNING LESS THAN A HANDFUL OF THEM, SPREAD ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THEIR SILLY, BASICALLY EMPTY, UNNATURAL AND UNATTRACTIVE PATTERNS.

AND THESE GUYS BITCH AND MOAN, OR TRY TO FIND SILLY EXCUSES FOR WHY THEY ARE RUNNING OUT WHERE THERE ARE PLENTY OF TUNA AND EITHER NOT CATCHING ANY, OR DAMNED FEW THAT WIND UP LOOKING LIKE GOOD CATCHES BECAUSE THE AVERAGE CATCH PER BOAT IS SO LOW!

METER THE FISH.

"CHUM THEM" WITH MEATBALLS OF NATURAL LOOKING AND SOUNDING PODS OF BAITS, COMPLETE WITH STRAGGLERS LITERALLY BEGGING TO DIE ON DOWNRIGGERS OR PLANERS DOWN WHERE THE FUCKING BAIT AND TUNA ARE AND GUESS WHAT? COME ON, GUESS. AWWW, YOU AT LEAST HAVE SOME KIND OF AN INKLING WHAT WILL HAPPEN, DON'T YOU?

YOU DON'T?

WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, GET YOUR ASS OUT OF MY CAVE, WILL YA? THIS CAVE IS FOR SMART, OPEN-MINDED, REAL FISHERMEN, NOT YO-YO'S WHO ADD TWO AND TWO AND COME UP WITH 6,796!

NOT MEANT FOR ANY OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED ON THIS THREAD.

TO YOU I SAY, "AIN'T IT A CRYING SHAME?!"

I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE GUYS WHO CAN'T FIGURE ALL OF THIS OUT AND JUST KEEP REPEATING THE SAME STUPID (SORRY, BUT THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD FOR IT) SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TRIP AFTER TRIP, YEAR AFTER YEAR AND ARE SATISFIED WITH THAT SHIT.

TO ME, THAT'S LIKE BEING FOND OF HITTING YOURSELF IN THE NUTS WITH A BALL PEEN HAMMER, OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

HOW SAD!

[frijolitos]

Originally Posted by Sam Salmon

Yes and No.

Sockeye Salmon are filter feeders and they can be tricked into striking a slow trolled small Black or Pink something close behind a flasher so they'd probably go for the Superbar as well.

Time wil tell!

they do feed almost exclusively on macro baits, but they are not filter feeders as such.

[catch and eat]

Originally Posted by Fred Archer

WHAM...HOOKUP!

THIS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT DODGERS AND FLASHERS AND ALL OF THAT ARE NOT NECCESSARY AT ALL TO ATTRACT FISH TO SPIDER SCHOOLS (THERE'S THAT WORD AGAIN). THIS IS THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT SOME OF THOSE WHO HAVE FISHED SPIDERS HAVE ARRIVED AT TOO.

Fred, this is absolutely true. I put the superbar about a foot behind a delta diver. I had pink bars and for the trailer bait a green glo hootchie was used with a chunk of herring. Worked great and looked very cool in the water.


Regarding sockeye. While trolling herring for nooks in AK I have many times had sockeye take baits. Don't know as if I would refer to them as filter feeders as such but they can be aggressive in the salt.

[Sam Salmon]

Originally Posted by frijolitos

they do feed almost exclusively on macro baits, but they are not filter feeders as such.

Right you are my post was poorly worded.

We have occasionally caught Sockeye while trolling Anchovy behind a Flasher but that's a story for another time.