[CSP]

Originally Posted by 2na

Dude...aren't you over reacting? If you want cash
only, do cash only or say no!

Poor f'er wants to buy a boat...shows up and has that "BAD GUY" look
and the seller pull a gun on him.

Makes me want to buy a boat tomorrow...

Dude it was comment, said to a statement, that was justified by a comment of a statement in the statement of the orignal comment of someone scoping out my house with the intention to steal my boat, so please don't take my comment out of context, and read the orignal statement,that was posted in the first place. But your statement about the poor f'er was funny,it's wrong and demented, but funny just the same.Thank's

[Bullshipper]

It will be very hard for someone from another country to get this much cash or a certified check.

A bank wire transfer from his account to yours is the normal way of doing business in large sums.

When your bank says your account has been credited, you can release the goods.

[Duramax]

Let us know how the deal goes down, I've had several offers by email that sounded to shady to me.
One guy sad that he love my boat and that it looked great, the next email said that his client was a blind gentelmen that was interested in the boat.......................
Then they ask for my account number to transfer the money.
Don't ever give out your account number to anybody.
I've sold many of things, bikes, cars, trucks, motor cycles, engines and a couple of boat.
Cash is the best way of doing business and finalising/closing the deal.
Unless you deal with a known broker or boat dealer.

Also, if it's a large summ I always have a friend with me that knows how to use a fire arm and is not afraid to use it either.

Just make sure that it goes down safe.
Best of luck.

P.s.
Good advise from most of the people that replyed before me, except for the guy with the trucking company. Can't figure out what he is trying to say. Hope he drives the truck better than he writes or replys to post's.

[Bliksem]

Originally Posted by Bullshipper

It will be very hard for someone from another country to get this much cash or a certified check.

I'd like to rectify a misconception here. I feel that this is an assumption and not a fact. The fact is (and I called my local bank before posting here) that we, as South Africans, have an "annual foreign allowance" of ±$70 000 per individual that can be used abroad. Should the amount spent anually exceed this figure then permission have to be obtained from our Reserve Bank for the additional foreign currency. We are also allowed to have foreign bank accounts (savings, investments and checks). As a business there is no restriction on foreign payments/imports, provided that:

• there is a valid bill of lading
• ditto bill of entry
• ditto invoice
• ditto import permit (if/when required)

To import a new boat no permit is required but import duty of 15% is payable. A used boat requires a permit and the same duty applies. For any new marine equipment and/or motors, O/B, I/B or I/O no duties, no permit. But, on used goods the contrary applies. And as our law works; I buy a new/used boat in the US with a new motor mounted then I pay duty this side on the unit. If I buy the same boat without the new motor mounted (but shipped seperately in the same container) then I only pay duty on the boat's value.... OK, this I'll accept is a measure to protect our local boatbuilding industry.

To add to Miles' post; a 22' Tiara will most probably be used offshore locally and then it would, by law, require 2 motors to venture more than 5nm.

Law:

Every category A, B and C power-driven vessel that is propelled by outboard
engines must have at least two engines of equal power: Provided that vessels constructed
with a planing hull may have engines of different power if either engine is capable of
propelling the vessel at planing speed.

and

"category"

, in relation to a vessel, means the particular category of vessel determined
as follows:
(a) Category A—vessels operating more than 40 nautical miles from shore;
(b) Category B—vessels operating more than 15 but not more than 40 nautical miles
from shore;
(c) Category C—vessels operating more than 5 but not more than 15 nautical miles
from shore;

Sorry to bore you with all of this but I feel that the "buyer" should have a fair chance to prove his intentions and should not be judged "guilty" in advance (nothing wrong with being vigilant though!). I have been in situations abroad when I could not honour appointments due to a tight shedule. It happens. And, NO, I'm not the buyer

Cheers

[Duramax]

"Sorry to bore you with all of this but I feel that the "buyer" should have a fair chance to prove his intentions and should not be judged "guilty" in advance (nothing wrong with being vigilant though!). I have been in situations abroad when I could not honour appointments due to a tight shedule. It happens. And, NO, I'm not the buyer

Cheers"

Nobody here is picking on the buyer, all we are doing is to help the seller from being ripped off in his time of need.
There are alot of "Scam Artist's" in this world and it would realy suck to here that one of us has been taken by an scam artist.

There have always been people buying stuff overseas and reselling here or the other way around, I know because in the early 80's thats what I used to do.

[Bliksem]

Originally Posted by Duramax

Nobody here is picking on the buyer, all we are doing is to help the seller from being ripped off in his time of need.

Nothing wrong with that Mate; I'll do anything in my power to see that he's not ripped off. You (he) has recourse to the US Embassy in SA if that should happen. But, on the other hand, it should not happen as the only accepted payment should be cash and the export/shipping costs is for the buyer's acc. And CSP or any other seller should make a copy of his passport and US visa and have it verified by your Govt dept responsible for visitors. Sorry, I'm not English speaking and I don't always use the appropriate wording.

Cheers

[LTBOLTMAN]

who would want to rely on going to the US Embassy as a "feel good" back-up should you get ripped off...it's bad enough just trying to go through the ebay process when you get ripped off there...a lot of fraud happening over here, and that's what drives the skepticism when certain elements of a "deal" rear their ugly head...

[diakka69]

Wow I can not believe how stupid I have been!! Next time I buy or sell a boat I am going to have my buddy hang sniper style in a bush or car. It also might be a good negotiation tool to let the guy know he is being scoped or in the cross hairs

[piperca]

I'm sure you have all seen this one:

"Dear Sir,

Confidential Business Proposal

Having consulted with my colleagues and based on the information gathered from the Nigerian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I have the privilege to request your assistance to transfer the sum of $47,500,000.00 (forty seven million, five hundred thousand United States dollars) into your accounts. The above sum resulted from an over-invoiced contract, executed, commissioned and paid for about five years (5) ago by a foreign contractor. This action was however intentional and since then the fund has been in a suspense account at The Central Bank Of Nigeria Apex Bank." ... yadda, yadda, yadda!

If I'm not mistaken, Nigeria is an African nation, too. This scam has nailed a lot of unsuspecting victims. It is well advertised now, but, in its inception, people got screwed!

Every time I've used Craigslist, I've had some moron (several, in fact) contact me with the shipping scam. Like I said before, don't get fixated on losing your boat, that is not their intent. These guys are just trying to swindle a few thousand dollars through the shipping scam. Ask them questions about what they know about your boat ... or any boat for that matter. If they are only interested in the scam, they won't know shit about your boat.

[2na]

Originally Posted by CSP

Dude it was comment, said to a statement, that was justified by a comment of a statement in the statement of the orignal comment of someone scoping out my house with the intention to steal my boat, so please don't take my comment out of context, and read the orignal statement,that was posted in the first place. But your statement about the poor f'er was funny,it's wrong and demented, but funny just the same.Thank's

Hey, I didn't go back to re-read you post, but I will go
with what you wrote here. No ill intention on my part...

Just give the guy the benefit of the doubt until you meet him in person and do the deal you want and comfortable with.

[CSP]

Originally Posted by 2na

Hey, I didn't go back to re-read you post, but I will go
with what you wrote here. No ill intention on my part...

Just give the guy the benefit of the doubt until you meet him in person and do the deal you want and comfortable with.

It's all good! I wasn't mad at what you siad, It's just the stress of dealling with the unknown,Didn't mean to vent on you. Well I'am gonna met with him in about an hour,so well see if this is for real.

[carmarc]

The counterfiet pen does not protect you from "washed bills." Hold each bill to the light to see that Ben Franklin is in the picture and the water mark. If you have Ben Franklin in the picture and you hold up the bill to the light and see Andrew Jackson, or George Washington, you have authentic paper, but a bleached bill that has been re-printed which the pen won't indicate. You got to look at each bill individually.

[Huntndogs]

Piperca is exactly right...I also see this all the time in my line of work. I would run away as fast as I could if they are not willing to go to the bank with you while you deposit the cash funds. No checks, money orders etc. I would also be surprised if they dont ask you to deposit a check for more than the asking price and send them the remaining balance. It's an old scam. You wont lose your boat, but you will lose the money you send them when the check you deposited is found to be no good.

Be leary, use your head and put the gun away. They will seem nice as pie to get you to trust them. Piperca and I may be wrong about this, some folks do buy and ship boats....but, better safe than sorry.

[N J Mello]

Make him pay you in Krugerrands!!

[CSP]

Well here's your update guy's. I met with the to guy's today." there in 50's to 60's" They came up to the driveway at the bow of my boat and we all said are hello's, and I began to show them the boat,
"One of my wife's friend's and husband showed up just a little before the two guy's did and were talking in the disance in the front yard"

They were very nice men and not at all the way I had pictured them to be. So I showed them the boat and all the accessories, and how they worked so they could see that everthing was in working order, and awsered all the question's they asked,took off the motor cover,and fired here up, " just like a champ fired right up" ran it for a few so they could check it out. they really liked her.
They made a low offer, and I said no,"$7K" and told them I already have two offer's larger then that, and sent those two to away, so they talked in there language a little bit, and I left them alone, while I went and talked to my wife and friend's.
When they were done, they came back to me and gave me another offer 'Still not the amount I'am looking for, but more then the 1st one's. so I told them that I would think about it,because there is another guy that want's to come and see Her tomorrow. Then I asked Him how does he plan to pay for the boat if I say yes to His offer, He answered by telling me he had some cash with him but he would have to go to the bank for the rest, or he could write me a check for the rest,and he said I could wait till the check would clear to do the final paper work, I said if I do the deal with you it would have to be all cash, is that gonna be a problem for you, he answered no problem, so I told him if the guy tomorrow doesn't make a better offer that I would let him know.

I don't know guy's, these's guy's seem on the up and up,if that other guy dosn't offer me more then thay did, I think these other guy's got themself's a deal"Well as long as the money's good", I'll let the bank do that part. Thay didn't seem to have a problem with anything I told them.

I just want to thank each and everyone of you for talking the time to put your opinion's on this post for me ,it's been very helpful to me, and just a good way to see the brotherhood we all share on this board, thank's for looking out.
I guess Ill have to what and see what happen's tomorrow. Till then keep the sun on your back and your face to the wind.
Thank's
Carlos

[piperca]

Hopefully this comes through for you Carlos, but be adamant about cash. Don't let them lull you into a false sense of security. Believe it or not, it wouldn't be the first time I've heard the check had cleared and it wasn't for a couple of weeks before the bank discovered the check is no good ... and you will be on the hook! Good luck, hope it works out!

[CSP]

Originally Posted by piperca

Hopefully this comes through for you Carlos, but be adamant about cash. Don't let them lull you into a false sense of security. Believe it or not, it wouldn't be the first time I've heard the check had cleared and it wasn't for a couple of weeks before the bank discovered the check is no good ... and you will be on the hook! Good luck, hope it works out!

You know that's kinda funny,What I mean is that I couldn't write everything word for word that was said I would have filled the whole board up,But when he told me about the check thing, I told him it would take the bank two week's to clear fund "witch is true with B of A" he agreed that it had to be cash.
well I hope it work's out to.

[inSTANt bendo]

That's anticlimactic. No gunfire, no lynchings? Weird, somebody just wanted to buy a boat? You got lucky.

[CSP]

Well that's it she's gone, the other guy never came and the South African's got a bitchen fishing boat. We all went together to the bank ,told the teller to check the cash out , she said it was good , did the paper work and that's that's.

Not a good feeling watching some one else drive her off, I guess Iam stuck on the cattle boat's for awhile, or maybe a YAK.

Thank's again guy's.See ya on the board.

[piperca]

Congrats, glad it worked out!