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Old Nov-15-2005, 08:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

this is the first accurate i've ever torn down and rebuilt.



my buddy dropped off a bucket of two speed reels several weeks ago, and i just finished them all last night. amazing how similar they are. two penn internationals, two penn kg's, three tiagras, a daiwa and a lone accurate 12. several friends prior had asked if i was interested in taking a look at their accurates, but i had always referred them back to the manufacturer. this guy says that he sent his accurate to the manufacturer twice, and each time it came back with the same problem. freespool was poor and the drag was sticky. so i agreed.
the accurate rep told me long ago that the reel was very easy to work on. i decided to dive in and give it a try. here's the link to the schematic.



pulling the frame off the side plate is easy, just 5 screws (key # 93).



next, remove the preset arm (key #18), the preset arm support (key #24),



remove the spool shaft retainer g/s (key #26), do not disturb or change the orientation of the main lever arm assembly.



and pull the spool. here's a right side view,



and left side view



remove all sixteen spool cover screws (key #72) and the spool shaft assembly,



sorry for the blurry image, but note the water intrusion into the drag washer in the photo above and the two photos below,





the bearings were pulled, the pressed in shields were pried out with a small pen knife, the grease was cleaned out with carb cleaner and compressed air, lubed with corrosion x, and re-installed.



the dry drag washers were then rubbed vigorously with a clean dry rag to remove the loose salt crystals, a generous amount of shimano drag grease was applied to both sides of the drag washer, the washer was installed and the excess grease was wiped off the pressure plate contact side of the washer. the spool was then reassembled.



the spool was re-inserted into the side plate, the lever and retaining c-clip were reinstalled, and the preset arm was reinstalled.



bolt on the frame and you're done. total elapsed time was 45 minutes. the drag was set so that the drag would measure out to about 20#'s at strike when the preset lever was at "H." one trick to this. keep the tension cam assembly in place. note also that the rim of the spool is wider on the left side that the right.



now, a couple of comments. first, this is a beautifully made reel, inside and out!!!!!!! the machinists that make this reel must be very proud of their work. and rightly so.

second, the dry carbon fiber drag washer will foul after exposure to salt water. the three photos make that painfully obvious. it is no more resistant to fouling that any other dry carbon system. shimano two speeds, daiwa two speeds, penn v series internationals and tiburons all use a greased carbon fiber drag system. i think accurate should consider this as well. i do not know what the total failure rate of accurates is, but my series of one reel has a 100% failure rate.

third, when the reel is in freespool and out of gear, the two stainless steel drag pressure plates (key #80) press out against the spool covers (key #'s 75 and 90) and provide some protection against saltwater intrusion. when the reel is in gear, there is a gap that water can enter. shimano tld's and tiagra's are just the opposite. shimano has a gasket system that seals the drag chamber when the reel is gear, and is slightly open when the reel is in freespool. leave your accurate 12 in freespool when you hose it off.

fourth, the shielded abec-5 spool bearings in the accurate 12 were packed with grease. this is probably fine until the grease hardens over time. i think shimano has the right idea with their "ARB" open bearing. with cleaned bearings, this reel now has 45 seconds of freespool instead of 5 seconds.

fifth, i think the design of the tension cam assembly is brilliant! the drag range is almost infinitely adjustable. very cool.

sixth, i think the handle grip is too small. if you agree and want a larger grip, it's easy to fix.

conclusion, is worth $999? yes! but can you afford it?

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Old Nov-16-2005, 08:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

Nice post very informative! Thanks
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Old Nov-16-2005, 10:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

Have you pulled an AVET quad drag appart? I'm considering one and want to hear all the good and bad?

Did you test the drag on the Accurate? What could you get out of it if you did?
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Old Nov-16-2005, 11:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

The machining on the Accurates is top notch for sure. thats what you get out of the aerospace industry. The only Accurate I have opened is my own 870 which was assembled at the factory the way you found this 12.

I am buying two Accurate 80 narrows for my Hawaii big game gear because I feel that Accurate is the finest reel maker on the planet. You are correct in your asumption about if it is worth it. Sometimes I say yes without a doubt and in other situations I would have to say that many other will do the job.

Thanks for the write up and pics.

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Old Nov-16-2005, 11:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

I service my own single speeds (got em all) and let the boys work on my 2 speeds.

The drags are intended to be dry , so I simply knock off the solids and clean them with carb cleaner or alcohol and let them dry thouroughly and have had good results.

I'll ask Doug about the grease next time I get a chance to talk to him.

I agree with Jack. While they maybe at a disadvantage from a casting standpoint (overruns) the drags are simply the best system period.
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Old Nov-16-2005, 12:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

thanks, guys. this one was alot of fun.

z-man, the accurate only had 40# test on it. at "h" and strike, i got 20#'s and great freespool. just for the hell of it, i pushed the preset all the way to "O" and the drag lever to strike, and the damned thing still spins like crazy. it could be a hundred pounds for all i know. this reel is incredible!!!!!!!!!

as for avets, i've had a few apart just to look, but never a quad. people only bring me what they have trouble with, and few people up here have trouble with the avets.

jack and curly, i'm a "greased drag" kind of guy. i make no apolgies for it. i've put in my time and will stand toe to toe against anyone that says different. do this and water intrusion will no longer affect drag performance. there is no downside to performance. any dry carbon fiber drag can be greased, rebuilt and hung on a scale. numbers do not lie. this accurate 12 is set to 20#'s at strike with the preset at "H". i'm told that's pretty good. and i don't know who doug is, but let me know what he says!
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Old Nov-16-2005, 01:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

I am a greased drag guy also. My only difference is the grease I use. I have wrote this in post before but hey I will do it again. I use Mobil One synthetic wheel bearing grease. it is the same grease in used in my Nascar Super Late Model and the same grease all the Cup, Busch and Craftsmen trucks use. It does not melt down when the brake rotors are glowing red hot. Try it sometime you will really like it. I havent burned any drags since I started using it 4 to 5 years ago.

I do know several of the Accurates have 100 pounds of drag at full. I am not sure on the smaller 12 but ya it wouldnt suprise me.

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Old Nov-16-2005, 01:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Nice post very informative! Thanks
I'd have to agree. Your thread has a lot of great info in it. The pictures really help out also. Thanks..... and keep them coming. We can learn a lot from your experience.

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Old Nov-16-2005, 09:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

Alan

I'll give it a try in, say my 270 next season and let you know what I think.
I admit that I always liked greased drags in my older Sealines and Shimano's, so what the hell. I have been afraid of loosing the amounts of drag pressure we have been putting on th smaller reels.

Didn't mean to drop names. Doug as in Nilsen, of Accurate. We (my employer) mold for them, and have seen some of our feedback end up in the reels over the last few years.

Great stuff! Keep the threads coming.

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Old Nov-17-2005, 12:58 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: accurate 12 twin drag - rebuild

jack, i remember you mentioning that. for me, i've been using the shimano stuff for 7-8 years and i've never had a drag failure. teflon grease has a melting temp of 650 degrees farenheit, so we're both safe!

curly, i would say this.... dry carbon fiber will perform the same regardless of the manufacturer or the reel. and failures of dry carbon fiber drags are well known when the drags become wet with either water or oil. i can't help the guy that insists on hosing his reel down with wd-40 or reel magic, but i can help that guy that hoses his reel down with water.

and here are some suggestions that i would make to doug i had some face time. rig a way to seal the drag chamber against water intrusion. leave the spool bearings open. get a larger diameter offset handle. grease the drag. if you talk to him, let me know what he says. thanks!
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Old Nov-17-2005, 10:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Didn't mean to drop names. Doug as in Nilsen, of Accurate. We (my employer) mold for them, and have seen some of our feedback end up in the reels over the last few years.
carl, heard something third hand. can you find out if accurate is going to start using a greased drag washer?
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You mentioned "link to the schematic" I was wondering if this "link" consisted of schematics for other reels.
Could you post the link please....thanks.
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