Bruce, no problem to me, but I got to tell you, the Orvis Store I worked at was small and very friendly. They didn't let us put the coffe machine in but we had one right next door. People would come in just to chew the fat, just like the little store you talk off. Then Cabela's came to town. That and the real bad location, we had to close our doors. I do think this was just like the shops you talk of, but there was the catalog also. I know a lot of people really miss Orvis....I know I do and I didn't work there cause I had to, infact, they got my paycheck plus some of Alans every week